* RE: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? @ 2001-01-12 14:31 Robinow, David 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Robinow, David @ 2001-01-12 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin > From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [ mailto:lhall@rfk.com ] > At 04:25 PM 1/12/2001, Ehud Karni wrote: >>> Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that >>> it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? >>I think he meant it is a general problem for everyone. The base of this >>is that the emacs shell buffer is not a tty. You can check it by doing >>`stty', you'll get: "stty: standard input: Not a character device". >> >>And hence, it is not a tty ==> it will not generate SIGINT for ^C. >> >>Ehud. > Forgive me for coming late to the party. I didn't digest that this > conversation was about NTEmacs (i.e. the Windows port). I'll leave > aside whether or not ^C should work in this context. I really don't > know whether it should/would/ever did. I don't use Emacs. However, > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. Larry has a point. NTEmacs: "stty: standard input: Not a character device" BREAK does not work XEmacs for NT: "stty: standard input: Not a character device" BREAK does not work cygwin XEmacs: stty works correctly. BREAK works. Note that results are the same whether typing C-c C-c, selecting BREAK from the "Signals" menu, or typing M-x comint-interrupt-subjob (as one would expect) Setting CYGWIN=TTY does not seem to matter. (Not sure if I tried all combos) -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? @ 2001-01-22 10:45 Mike Bresnahan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Mike Bresnahan @ 2001-01-22 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin XEmacs and GNU emacs are different in many ways. I switched to XEmacs a few years ago and then switched back to GNU emacs. Some differences of note: - There are subtle differences in the LISP code. You may have to make changes to your .emacs file. - XEmacs is also considerbly slower to load and perform other tasks. - XEmacs does not have the ctrl-<left click> buffer menu. - Lots of other small differences in the interface Mike Bresnahan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Volker Zell <Dr.Volker.Zell@oracle.com> To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> Cc: Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com>; <ehud@unix.simonwiesel.co.il>; <cygwin@sources.redhat.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 6:48 PM Subject: Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? > >>>>> "RFK" == RFK Partners, Inc <Larry> writes: > > RFK> At 11:22 AM 1/18/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: > >> "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > >> > > >> > At 02:15 PM 1/16/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: > >> > >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > >> > > > > >> > >... > >> > > > ... However, > >> > > > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > >> > > > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > >> > > > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. > >> > > > >> > >How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? > >> > > > >> > >(I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about > >> > >default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) > >> > > >> > Sorry, I was a little unclear. AFAIK, there is a Cygwin version of XEmacs > >> > but there isn't one for NTEmacs. My main point was that signal functionality > >> > can be handled by Cygwin (and is) or by the O/S. However, the signal coming > >> > from a Win32 app doesn't get the same response out of Cygwin as one coming > >> > from a Cygwin app. If you have problems in this area, your best bet is to > >> > use Cygwin-enabled versions of apps when available. > >> > >> I just meant how different is XEmacs from NTEmacs to the user? If I switch > >> from NTEmacs (which I'm used to) to XEmacs (which I don't know), how big a > >> change is that likely to been (from the Emacs user point of view)? > > > RFK> I, of course, am not qualified to answer that question since I don't use > RFK> Emacs at all. Others might be able to help. You may be better off asking > RFK> this question on some Emacs list though... > > I've done the switch a long time ago. NO big deal. > Just switch of the toolbar and it feels like Emacs. > > Ciao > Volker > > > -- > Want to unsubscribe from this list? > Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? @ 2001-01-11 14:23 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-11 15:00 ` David M. Karr 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-11 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin If I've missed this in the FAQ, user's manual, or (poorly searchable) archives, please point me to what I've missed. In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , control-C doesn't seem to work. That is, typing two control-C's in Emacs (to send a control-C to bash) doesn't kill a long-running command (e.g., like "du /" or "sleep 10"). Emacs does seem to flash the window title bar, but I can't tell what it's trying to indicate. Does this seem to be an NTEmacs/CygWin interaction problem, or just an NTEmacs problem (not for the CygWin list)? Is control-C still supported in CygWin and between NTEmacs and CygWin? (I just upgraded from CygWin B20 (or so), and not yet used to how things work now.) Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-11 14:23 ` Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-11 15:00 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 11:48 ` Daniel Barclay 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: David M. Karr @ 2001-01-11 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: Daniel> If I've missed this in the FAQ, user's manual, or (poorly searchable) Daniel> archives, please point me to what I've missed. Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. Daniel> That is, typing two control-C's in Emacs (to send a control-C to bash) Daniel> doesn't kill a long-running command (e.g., like "du /" or "sleep 10"). Daniel> Emacs does seem to flash the window title bar, but I can't tell what it's Daniel> trying to indicate. Does this seem to be an NTEmacs/CygWin interaction Daniel> problem, or just an NTEmacs problem (not for the CygWin list)? Daniel> Is control-C still supported in CygWin and between NTEmacs and CygWin? (I Daniel> just upgraded from CygWin B20 (or so), and not yet used to how things work Daniel> now.) This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem, but I don't know what the status on a fix is. I will be very glad to see it. -- =================================================================== David M. Karr ; w:(425)487-8312 ; TCSI & Best Consulting dkarr@tcsi.com ; Java/Unix/XML/C++/X ; BrainBench CJ12P (#12004) -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-11 15:00 ` David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 11:48 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-12 11:54 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 13:26 ` Ehud Karni 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-12 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David M. Karr; +Cc: cygwin "David M. Karr" wrote: > > >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: > ...> > Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions > Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , > Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. ... > This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 11:48 ` Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-12 11:54 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 12:30 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2001-01-12 13:06 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-12 13:26 ` Ehud Karni 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: Daniel> "David M. Karr" wrote: >> >> >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: >> ...> Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. Daniel> ... >> This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... Daniel> Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that Daniel> it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? I don't know the full answer to that. For me, certain shell processes will die with ^C, some will not. I can kill "java", but I can't kill "tail -f" or "perl" (I have to use Task Manager). I have seen other people report this. -- =================================================================== David M. Karr ; w:(425)487-8312 ; TCSI & Best Consulting dkarr@tcsi.com ; Java/Unix/XML/C++/X ; BrainBench CJ12P (#12004) -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 11:54 ` David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 12:30 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2001-01-12 12:43 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 13:06 ` Daniel Barclay 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-12 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David M. Karr, cygwin At 02:51 PM 1/12/2001, David M. Karr wrote: > >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: > Daniel> "David M. Karr" wrote: > >> > >> >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: > >> > ...> > Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions > Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , > Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. > Daniel> ... > >> This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... > > Daniel> Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that > Daniel> it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? > >I don't know the full answer to that. For me, certain shell processes >will die with ^C, some will not. I can kill "java", but I can't kill >"tail -f" or "perl" (I have to use Task Manager). I have seen other >people report this. Recently? Daniel's was the first report of this I've heard in months at least (longer than that most likely but I tend to be conservative when it comes to my memory). I might be wrong but I don't think this is a known problem and its certainly something that I don't see. Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 118 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 12:30 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-12 12:43 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 13:12 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-12 13:13 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes: Larry> At 02:51 PM 1/12/2001, David M. Karr wrote: >> >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: Daniel> "David M. Karr" wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> writes: >> >> ...> Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. Daniel> ... >> >> This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... >> Daniel> Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that Daniel> it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? >> >> I don't know the full answer to that. For me, certain shell processes >> will die with ^C, some will not. I can kill "java", but I can't kill >> "tail -f" or "perl" (I have to use Task Manager). I have seen other >> people report this. Larry> Recently? Daniel's was the first report of this I've heard in months at Larry> least (longer than that most likely but I tend to be conservative when it Larry> comes to my memory). I might be wrong but I don't think this is a known Larry> problem and its certainly something that I don't see. Earnie Boyd indicated on 9/26 it was "fixed in snapshots", but I've never seen any mention of a released fix for it. I recently upgraded my cygwin (1-2 weeks ago), so if the fix was there, I should have it (but I don't). -- =================================================================== David M. Karr ; w:(425)487-8312 ; TCSI & Best Consulting dkarr@tcsi.com ; Java/Unix/XML/C++/X ; BrainBench CJ12P (#12004) -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 12:43 ` David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 13:12 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-12 13:13 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-12 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David M. Karr; +Cc: cygwin "David M. Karr" wrote: > > >>>>> "Larry" == Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) <lhall@rfk.com> writes: ... > Earnie Boyd indicated on 9/26 it was "fixed in snapshots", but I've > never seen any mention of a released fix for it. I recently upgraded > my cygwin (1-2 weeks ago), so if the fix was there, I should have it > (but I don't). I just upgraded yesterday or Wednesday, from the ftp.sunsite.utk.edu mirror (and the latest Emacs as of yesterday or Wednesday). Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 12:43 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 13:12 ` Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-12 13:13 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-12 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David M. Karr, cygwin At 03:40 PM 1/12/2001, David M. Karr wrote: > >> I don't know the full answer to that. For me, certain shell processes > >> will die with ^C, some will not. I can kill "java", but I can't kill > >> "tail -f" or "perl" (I have to use Task Manager). I have seen other > >> people report this. > > Larry> Recently? Daniel's was the first report of this I've heard in months at > Larry> least (longer than that most likely but I tend to be conservative when it > Larry> comes to my memory). I might be wrong but I don't think this is a known > Larry> problem and its certainly something that I don't see. > >Earnie Boyd indicated on 9/26 it was "fixed in snapshots", but I've >never seen any mention of a released fix for it. I recently upgraded >my cygwin (1-2 weeks ago), so if the fix was there, I should have it >(but I don't). Hm, I don't know why you have this problem but I can say that you have the fix Earnie was referring to. Anything in the nightly snapshots as of 9/26 would be in the current 1.1.7 "release", if not the 1.1.6 and 1.1.5 "releases". So it may be related but the problem is certainly different. Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 118 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 11:54 ` David M. Karr 2001-01-12 12:30 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-12 13:06 ` Daniel Barclay 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-12 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David M. Karr; +Cc: cygwin "David M. Karr" wrote: > .... > I don't know the full answer to that. For me, certain shell processes > will die with ^C, some will not. I can kill "java", but I can't kill > "tail -f" or "perl" (I have to use Task Manager). I have seen other > people report this. Hmm. I think I've seen Java behave differently, but in the opposite direction. On my _old_ setup (Emacs ? with CygWin 20 or so), java (Sun's) would sometimes print out some status dump when I tried a control-C. I think Java specifically catches an alternate signal (SIGQUIT? on Unix, something else on Windows) to do that. Maybe Emacs and/or CygWin are sending different signals at different times or under different configurations, or processes are vulnerable to different signals under different conditions. AAAAGGGGHHHH!! Reinstalling a machine's worth of software is bad enough without failures between critical areas (for me) like Emacs and Unix commands. Could someone who has Emacs C-c C-c working working post information about your configuration OS version, NTEmacs version, relevant .emacs contents, whatever version information now characterizes CygWin, relevant cygwin.bat contents, environment variables, etc.)? Here are my statistics: - Windows NT 4.0, service pack 6a - NT Emacs version: "GNU Emacs 20.7.1 (i386-*-nt4.0.1381) of Tue Jun 13 2000 on buffy" - HOME: bash-2.04$ echo $HOME /c/Daniel - $HOME/.emacs (excerpts): ... (setq exec-path (cons "C:/tools/cygwin/bin" exec-path)) (setenv "PATH" (concat "C:\\tools\\cygwin\\bin;" (getenv "PATH"))) ;;TRYING: (setenv "CYGWIN" (concat "tty " (getenv "CYGWIN"))) (setq process-coding-system-alist '(("bash" . undecided-unix))) (setq w32-quote-process-args ?\") (setq shell-file-name "bash") (setenv "SHELL" shell-file-name) (setq explicit-shell-file-name shell-file-name) (add-hook 'comint-output-filter-functions 'comint-strip-ctrl-m) ... - C:/tools/cygwin/cygwin.bat: @echo off set CYGWIN=tty C: chdir \tools\cygwin\bin bash --login -i - cygcheck: $ cygcheck -s Cygnus Win95/NT Configuration Diagnostics Current System Time: Fri Jan 12 16:03:28 2001 WinNT Ver 4.0 build 1381 Service Pack 6 Path: /usr/bin /c/WINNT/system32 /c/WINNT SysDir: C:\WINNT\System32 WinDir: C:\WINNT PWD = `/c/tools/emacs-20.7/bin' CYGWIN = `tty ' HOME = `/c/Daniel' Use `-r' to scan registry a: fd N/A N/A c: hd NTFS 4094Mb 53% CP CS UN PA FC C d: hd NTFS 1592Mb 99% CP CS UN PA FC D e: hd NTFS 4094Mb 85% CP CS UN PA FC E f: cd N/A N/A C:\tools\cygwin\bin /usr/bin system textmode C:\tools\cygwin\lib /usr/lib system textmode C:\tools\cygwin / system textmode C: /c user textmode D: /d user textmode E: /e user textmode Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\bash.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cat.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cpp.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\find.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\gcc.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\gdb.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\ld.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\ls.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\make.exe Found: C:\tools\cygwin\bin\sh.exe 56k 2000/12/03 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygbz21.0.dll 45k 2000/12/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygform5.dll 18k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cyggdbm.dll 17k 2001/01/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cyghistory4.dll 14k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygintl.dll 81k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygitcl30.dll 35k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygitk30.dll 45k 2000/10/22 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygjbig1.dll 119k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygjpeg6b.dll 26k 2000/12/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygmenu5.dll 159k 2000/12/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygncurses++5.dll 225k 2000/12/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygncurses5.dll 15k 2000/12/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygpanel5.dll 162k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygpng2.dll 108k 2001/01/07 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygreadline4.dll 390k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygtcl80.dll 5k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygtclpip80.dll 10k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygtclreg80.dll 243k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygtiff3.dll 623k 2000/12/05 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygtk80.dll 41k 2000/11/20 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygXpm-noX4.dll 45k 2000/11/20 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygXpm-X4.dll 49k 2000/10/23 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygz.dll 611k 2000/12/25 C:\tools\cygwin\bin\cygwin1.dll Cygwin DLL version info: dll major: 1001 dll minor: 7 dll epoch: 19 dll bad signal mask: 19005 dll old termios: 5 dll malloc env: 28 api major: 0 api minor: 31 shared data: 3 dll identifier: cygwin1 mount registry: 2 cygnus registry name: Cygnus Solutions cygwin registry name: Cygwin program options name: Program Options cygwin mount registry name: mounts v2 cygdrive flags: cygdrive flags cygdrive prefix: cygdrive prefix cygdrive default prefix: build date: Mon Dec 25 12:39:48 EST 2000 shared id: cygwin1S3 Use -h to see help about each section $ Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? 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* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 11:48 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-12 11:54 ` David M. Karr @ 2001-01-12 13:26 ` Ehud Karni 2001-01-12 13:57 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Ehud Karni @ 2001-01-12 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0500, Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> wrote: > > "David M. Karr" wrote: > > > > Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions > > Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , > > Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. > ... > > This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... > > Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that > it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? I think he meant it is a general problem for everyone. The base of this is that the emacs shell buffer is not a tty. You can check it by doing `stty', you'll get: "stty: standard input: Not a character device". And hence, it is not a tty ==> it will not generate SIGINT for ^C. Ehud. -- @@@@@@ @@@ @@@@@@ @ @ Ehud Karni Simon & Wiesel Insurance agency @ @ @ @@ @ Tel: +972-3-6212-757 Fax: +972-3-6292-544 @ @ @ @ @ @@ (USA) Fax and voice mail: 1-815-5509341 @ @ @ @ @ @ Better Safe Than Sorry http://www.simonwiesel.co.il mailto:ehud@unix.simonwiesel.co.il -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 13:26 ` Ehud Karni @ 2001-01-12 13:57 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2001-01-16 11:14 ` Daniel Barclay 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-12 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ehud, cygwin At 04:25 PM 1/12/2001, Ehud Karni wrote: >On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0500, Daniel Barclay <Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com> wrote: > > > > "David M. Karr" wrote: > > > > > > Daniel> In a shell buffer in NTEmacs configured per the shell-setup instructions > > > Daniel> in the CygWin FAQ at http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/faq/faq.html#SEC5 , > > > Daniel> control-C doesn't seem to work. > > ... > > > This bites me several times a day. It is a known problem... > > > > Do you mean it's a known problem that crops up (for some people), or that > > it simply doesn't work at all (for anyone combining Emacs and CygWin)? > >I think he meant it is a general problem for everyone. The base of this >is that the emacs shell buffer is not a tty. You can check it by doing >`stty', you'll get: "stty: standard input: Not a character device". > >And hence, it is not a tty ==> it will not generate SIGINT for ^C. > >Ehud. Forgive me for coming late to the party. I didn't digest that this conversation was about NTEmacs (i.e. the Windows port). I'll leave aside whether or not ^C should work in this context. I really don't know whether it should/would/ever did. I don't use Emacs. However, I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. YMMV. Void where prohibited. Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 118 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-12 13:57 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-16 11:14 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-16 11:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-16 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); +Cc: ehud, cygwin "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > ... > ... However, > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? (I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) Thanks, Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-16 11:14 ` Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-16 11:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2001-01-18 8:21 ` Daniel Barclay 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-16 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Barclay; +Cc: ehud, cygwin At 02:15 PM 1/16/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > > >... > > ... However, > > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. > >How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? > >(I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about >default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) Sorry, I was a little unclear. AFAIK, there is a Cygwin version of XEmacs but there isn't one for NTEmacs. My main point was that signal functionality can be handled by Cygwin (and is) or by the O/S. However, the signal coming from a Win32 app doesn't get the same response out of Cygwin as one coming from a Cygwin app. If you have problems in this area, your best bet is to use Cygwin-enabled versions of apps when available. Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 118 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-16 11:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-18 8:21 ` Daniel Barclay 2001-01-18 8:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-18 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); +Cc: ehud, cygwin "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > > At 02:15 PM 1/16/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: > >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > > > > >... > > > ... However, > > > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > > > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > > > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. > > > >How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? > > > >(I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about > >default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) > > Sorry, I was a little unclear. AFAIK, there is a Cygwin version of XEmacs > but there isn't one for NTEmacs. My main point was that signal functionality > can be handled by Cygwin (and is) or by the O/S. However, the signal coming > from a Win32 app doesn't get the same response out of Cygwin as one coming > from a Cygwin app. If you have problems in this area, your best bet is to > use Cygwin-enabled versions of apps when available. I just meant how different is XEmacs from NTEmacs to the user? If I switch from NTEmacs (which I'm used to) to XEmacs (which I don't know), how big a change is that likely to been (from the Emacs user point of view)? Daniel -- Daniel Barclay Digital Focus Daniel.Barclay@digitalfocus.com -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-18 8:21 ` Daniel Barclay @ 2001-01-18 8:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) 2001-01-18 16:47 ` Dr. Volker Zell 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-18 8:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Daniel Barclay; +Cc: ehud, cygwin At 11:22 AM 1/18/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > > > > At 02:15 PM 1/16/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: > > >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: > > > > > > >... > > > > ... However, > > > > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like > > > > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other > > > > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. > > > > > >How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? > > > > > >(I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about > > >default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) > > > > Sorry, I was a little unclear. AFAIK, there is a Cygwin version of XEmacs > > but there isn't one for NTEmacs. My main point was that signal functionality > > can be handled by Cygwin (and is) or by the O/S. However, the signal coming > > from a Win32 app doesn't get the same response out of Cygwin as one coming > > from a Cygwin app. If you have problems in this area, your best bet is to > > use Cygwin-enabled versions of apps when available. > >I just meant how different is XEmacs from NTEmacs to the user? If I switch >from NTEmacs (which I'm used to) to XEmacs (which I don't know), how big a >change is that likely to been (from the Emacs user point of view)? I, of course, am not qualified to answer that question since I don't use Emacs at all. Others might be able to help. You may be better off asking this question on some Emacs list though... Larry Hall lhall@rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. http://www.rfk.com 118 Washington Street (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office Holliston, MA 01746 (508) 893-9889 - FAX -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: NTEmacs shell/CygWin: should control-C work? 2001-01-18 8:27 ` Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) @ 2001-01-18 16:47 ` Dr. Volker Zell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Dr. Volker Zell @ 2001-01-18 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc); +Cc: Daniel Barclay, ehud, cygwin >>>>> "RFK" == RFK Partners, Inc <Larry> writes: RFK> At 11:22 AM 1/18/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: >> "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: >> > >> > At 02:15 PM 1/16/2001, Daniel Barclay wrote: >> > >"Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" wrote: >> > > > >> > >... >> > > > ... However, >> > > > I can say you'll have better luck with a Cygwin version of Emacs, like >> > > > XEmacs. You'll find Cygwin applications work much better with other >> > > > Cygwin applications, especially in areas of detail like this. >> > > >> > >How different is XEmacs from GNU/NTEmacs? >> > > >> > >(I don't do much (any) Lisp programming, so I guess I'm just asking about >> > >default configuration and about compatibility of add-ons like JDE.) >> > >> > Sorry, I was a little unclear. AFAIK, there is a Cygwin version of XEmacs >> > but there isn't one for NTEmacs. My main point was that signal functionality >> > can be handled by Cygwin (and is) or by the O/S. However, the signal coming >> > from a Win32 app doesn't get the same response out of Cygwin as one coming >> > from a Cygwin app. If you have problems in this area, your best bet is to >> > use Cygwin-enabled versions of apps when available. >> >> I just meant how different is XEmacs from NTEmacs to the user? If I switch >> from NTEmacs (which I'm used to) to XEmacs (which I don't know), how big a >> change is that likely to been (from the Emacs user point of view)? RFK> I, of course, am not qualified to answer that question since I don't use RFK> Emacs at all. Others might be able to help. You may be better off asking RFK> this question on some Emacs list though... I've done the switch a long time ago. NO big deal. Just switch of the toolbar and it feels like Emacs. Ciao Volker -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Check out: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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