From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bernard Dautrevaux To: "'DJ Delorie'" , Ssiddiqi@InspirePharm.Com Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: RE: Cygwin participation threshold Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:26:00 -0000 Message-id: <8135911A809AD211AF6300A02480D175034922@iis000.microdata.fr> X-SW-Source: 1999-02/msg00867.html > -----Original Message----- > From: DJ Delorie [ mailto:dj@delorie.com ] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:36 PM > To: Ssiddiqi@InspirePharm.Com > Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: Cygwin participation threshold > > > > > Does the GPL applies to GNUPro, which is distributed for commercial > > use? > > GNUPro is made up of a number of components with a number of licensing > terms, just like djgpp is. Those parts that are copyrighted by > authors other than Cygnus, like gcc, must be distributed under the > terms the author supplied, in this case the GPL. Cygnus can do > nothing about that. > > However, Cygnus is the author of some of those parts (like I'm the > author of djgpp's libc) and can choose alternate terms for alternate > distributions. For example, our C runtime and cygwin runtimes were > written by us, so we can decide that they're GPL for this release, and > proprietary for that release. If you purchase a GNUPro distribution > from us, it comes with the same software as a net release (except it's > been QAd, may have some as-yet-unreleased improvements over the net > release, and is supported by Cygnus) but we use a different license > that lets you use our runtimes in proprietary applications. It just > isn't practical to provide source code for cell phones :) The > fees from > these sales are the primary source of funding for the software, and > thus pay for the net releases. > So if I understand you corectly, if I *pay* it may be interesting for me to contribute *pro-bono* to the net release? perhaps I'll negociate discounts on my payments against my contributions? :-) Seriously I effectively remember having noted that I may get a cygwin release not covered by the GPL against a fee (the one thing I don't know is "how much?"); however I think it's quite discouraging to see Cygnus, known to be able to earn its life with free software due to its excellent support to its high-grade customers (I think I remember support contracts with Cygnus were quite expensive), shift to a purely mercantile strategy: If you pay, you'll get the right to earn some money and to use some proprietary Cygnus code and corrections that may never be put in the net release... Too bad for free software fate :-( or *please* explain me that I'm plain wrong and that Cygnus is not doing anything like that... Best regards, Bernard -------------------------------------------- Bernard Dautrevaux Microprocess Ingéniérie 97 bis, rue de Colombes 92400 COURBEVOIE FRANCE Tel: +33 (0) 1 47 68 80 80 Fax: +33 (0) 1 47 88 97 85 e-mail: dautrevaux@microprocess.com b.dautrevaux@usa.net -------------------------------------------- -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bernard Dautrevaux To: "'DJ Delorie'" , Ssiddiqi@InspirePharm.Com Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: RE: Cygwin participation threshold Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 23:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <8135911A809AD211AF6300A02480D175034922@iis000.microdata.fr> X-SW-Source: 1999-02n/msg00867.html Message-ID: <19990228230200.cBvw_zVBBTNxFaJj-b_8L2roJpwENVCC8Ba7goY-Ryc@z> > -----Original Message----- > From: DJ Delorie [ mailto:dj@delorie.com ] > Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 7:36 PM > To: Ssiddiqi@InspirePharm.Com > Cc: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com > Subject: Re: Cygwin participation threshold > > > > > Does the GPL applies to GNUPro, which is distributed for commercial > > use? > > GNUPro is made up of a number of components with a number of licensing > terms, just like djgpp is. Those parts that are copyrighted by > authors other than Cygnus, like gcc, must be distributed under the > terms the author supplied, in this case the GPL. Cygnus can do > nothing about that. > > However, Cygnus is the author of some of those parts (like I'm the > author of djgpp's libc) and can choose alternate terms for alternate > distributions. For example, our C runtime and cygwin runtimes were > written by us, so we can decide that they're GPL for this release, and > proprietary for that release. If you purchase a GNUPro distribution > from us, it comes with the same software as a net release (except it's > been QAd, may have some as-yet-unreleased improvements over the net > release, and is supported by Cygnus) but we use a different license > that lets you use our runtimes in proprietary applications. It just > isn't practical to provide source code for cell phones :) The > fees from > these sales are the primary source of funding for the software, and > thus pay for the net releases. > So if I understand you corectly, if I *pay* it may be interesting for me to contribute *pro-bono* to the net release? perhaps I'll negociate discounts on my payments against my contributions? :-) Seriously I effectively remember having noted that I may get a cygwin release not covered by the GPL against a fee (the one thing I don't know is "how much?"); however I think it's quite discouraging to see Cygnus, known to be able to earn its life with free software due to its excellent support to its high-grade customers (I think I remember support contracts with Cygnus were quite expensive), shift to a purely mercantile strategy: If you pay, you'll get the right to earn some money and to use some proprietary Cygnus code and corrections that may never be put in the net release... Too bad for free software fate :-( or *please* explain me that I'm plain wrong and that Cygnus is not doing anything like that... Best regards, Bernard -------------------------------------------- Bernard Dautrevaux Microprocess Ingéniérie 97 bis, rue de Colombes 92400 COURBEVOIE FRANCE Tel: +33 (0) 1 47 68 80 80 Fax: +33 (0) 1 47 88 97 85 e-mail: dautrevaux@microprocess.com b.dautrevaux@usa.net -------------------------------------------- -- Want to unsubscribe from this list? Send a message to cygwin-unsubscribe@sourceware.cygnus.com