RE: cygwin too slow

RE: cygwin too slow

[koorapati, koundinya]

Thanks to all who replied - Brian, Reid, Eric Rolf, kevin, shankar ; Sorry
if I have left out any, I'm glad to say that I was able to find out why and
that solved my problem. It was with the HOME variable which was by default
set to /cygwindrive/h or something like that. Being a total newbie on
Windows, I did not bother to touch this. Not I have learnt how to set
environment variables in Windows and have set it to c:\ and the problem I
was seeing disappeared. I promise to read the FAQ/Documentation do some
googling etc  :)

Thanks again !

Koundinya
 

-----Original Message-----
From: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com [mailto:cygwin-owner@cygwin.com]On Behalf
Of Shankar Unni
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:52 PM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygwin too slow


koorapati, koundinya wrote:
> In strace I'm not able to see
> which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
> 'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
> loaded, strace throws it's output. 

He's sort of right in that often, there's a mysterious wait of a second
or two, even on a completely unloaded system, before the process starts
running.

I suspect it has something to do with our flaky network (we're in a
workgroup without a primary WINS server or a domain controller). Even if
there are no network drives in the path, I suspect that things like
looking up the local host name will also be slow if there are subtle
network problems like this, and can cause this delay on startup..



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Re: cygwin too slow

[Shankar Unni]

koorapati, koundinya wrote:
> In strace I'm not able to see
> which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
> 'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
> loaded, strace throws it's output. 

He's sort of right in that often, there's a mysterious wait of a second
or two, even on a completely unloaded system, before the process starts
running.

I suspect it has something to do with our flaky network (we're in a
workgroup without a primary WINS server or a domain controller). Even if
there are no network drives in the path, I suspect that things like
looking up the local host name will also be slow if there are subtle
network problems like this, and can cause this delay on startup..



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RE: cygwin too slow

[Brian Ford]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> I restricted my path to just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin , but
> still there's been no change in slowness that I see with every command. Here
> we are given a customized Windows O.S for the company I work, by Dell
> (Windows 2000 Pro). This is really mysterious. In strace I'm not able to see
> which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
> 'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
> loaded, strace throws it's output. I guess strace is also taking it's own
> time to run ?. I'm also not sure what tools on windows could be used for
> troubleshooting as this is my first close encounter with MS Windows :)
>
There is *lots* of info about these kinds of problems if you just look.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=commands+slow+to+start+site%3Acygwin.com&btnG=Google+Search

Does /usr/bin/ls.exe run slow?

And, this *still* applies:

> http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html
>

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RE: cygwin too slow

[kevin.lawton]

Hi Koundinya, 
At that sort of spec, there's no way you are running out of system resources. This infers that it is most likely a storage problem: either hard drive (see 'activity' light) or network (enable network icon in taskbar and watch it). Probably a good idea to check that the paging file has been set up sensibly, but that shouldn't make much difference with the figures you've given. If asked, I'd suggest about a 1 Gb static paging file about right for that spec of system - but it doesn't look like swapping/paging is your problem here.
Kevin.   
   
-----Original Message-----
From: koorapati, koundinya [mailto:koorapati_koundinya@emc.com]
Sent: 12 November 2003 12:03
To: Lawton,K,Kevin,XJH3C C; ford@vss.fsi.com; cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow

Hi Kevin,
   From what I see in ths system information: this is a MS Win 2000 machine
registered to my company. It has Intel Pentium IV CPU of 2.6 GHz and has
522,228 KB RAM. I'm running so few applications at the moment that there is
close to 300 MB still free Memory left. I'm looking into your other points,
but in the meantime thought just provide this info too.

Koundinya

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From: kevin.lawton@bt.com [mailto:kevin.lawton@bt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:22 PM
To: koorapati_koundinya@emc.com; ford@vss.fsi.com; cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow


Hi, 
I run Cygwin under Win2K and find it lightening fast most of the time. Maybe
the slowness you're experiencing is not down to cygwin itself, but the
machine generally and Win2K's use of resources specifically. 
General advice for running under Win2K might help here - at least worth a
try first - as would some idea of how other things run on this box. It might
be of some help to know what spec of box you are running Win2K on. Something
like a 350 MHz Duron or Celeron with only 128 Mb memory will be easily
overloaded. A 1 GHz or above Pentium or Athlon with 512 Mb memory should
handle most tasks in its stride. 
I would suggest: 
 * Try and remove as much of the surplus Windoze paraphernalia as you dare:
wallpaper, screen savers, extra fonts - they all use a static amount of
resource and contribute very little other than eye candy (a Windoze
speciality). 
 * Have a look at what services are running on your machine, and stop /
disable things which aren't needed. There's heaps of info out there on the
web as to what each service does. 
 * If you have Micro$oft Office on the machine as well, disable things like
'findfast' and any other indexing service unless you really cannot live
without them. 
 * Try making some use of Win2K's performance monitor, or see what you can
download off the web, to investigate any bottlenecks on the machine.
Remember these too use some resource and will probably worsen the problem. 
 * It would be useful to know what other signs the machine shows. For
example: is there much hard drive activity during the delays ? 
Hope the above is of some use to you, with some more info we might be able
to tackle the problem more specifically.
Kevin.   
   
-----Original Message-----
From: koorapati, koundinya [mailto:koorapati_koundinya@emc.com]
Sent: 12 November 2003 11:30
To: Brian Ford
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow

I restricted my path to just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin , but
still there's been no change in slowness that I see with every command. Here
we are given a customized Windows O.S for the company I work, by Dell
(Windows 2000 Pro). This is really mysterious. In strace I'm not able to see
which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
loaded, strace throws it's output. I guess strace is also taking it's own
time to run ?. I'm also not sure what tools on windows could be used for
troubleshooting as this is my first close encounter with MS Windows :)

Koundinya



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ford [mailto:ford@vss.fsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:37 PM
To: koorapati, koundinya
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygwin too slow


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> But simple commands like ls take this time
>
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
>
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
>
WAG, got any network drives in your path, especially ones that are not
accessable?  Where does strace show a long time between system calls?

And, oh yeah:

http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html

too.

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RE: cygwin too slow

[koorapati, koundinya]

Hi Kevin,
   From what I see in ths system information: this is a MS Win 2000 machine
registered to my company. It has Intel Pentium IV CPU of 2.6 GHz and has
522,228 KB RAM. I'm running so few applications at the moment that there is
close to 300 MB still free Memory left. I'm looking into your other points,
but in the meantime thought just provide this info too.

Koundinya

-----Original Message-----
From: kevin.lawton@bt.com [mailto:kevin.lawton@bt.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:22 PM
To: koorapati_koundinya@emc.com; ford@vss.fsi.com; cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow


Hi, 
I run Cygwin under Win2K and find it lightening fast most of the time. Maybe
the slowness you're experiencing is not down to cygwin itself, but the
machine generally and Win2K's use of resources specifically. 
General advice for running under Win2K might help here - at least worth a
try first - as would some idea of how other things run on this box. It might
be of some help to know what spec of box you are running Win2K on. Something
like a 350 MHz Duron or Celeron with only 128 Mb memory will be easily
overloaded. A 1 GHz or above Pentium or Athlon with 512 Mb memory should
handle most tasks in its stride. 
I would suggest: 
 * Try and remove as much of the surplus Windoze paraphernalia as you dare:
wallpaper, screen savers, extra fonts - they all use a static amount of
resource and contribute very little other than eye candy (a Windoze
speciality). 
 * Have a look at what services are running on your machine, and stop /
disable things which aren't needed. There's heaps of info out there on the
web as to what each service does. 
 * If you have Micro$oft Office on the machine as well, disable things like
'findfast' and any other indexing service unless you really cannot live
without them. 
 * Try making some use of Win2K's performance monitor, or see what you can
download off the web, to investigate any bottlenecks on the machine.
Remember these too use some resource and will probably worsen the problem. 
 * It would be useful to know what other signs the machine shows. For
example: is there much hard drive activity during the delays ? 
Hope the above is of some use to you, with some more info we might be able
to tackle the problem more specifically.
Kevin.   
   
-----Original Message-----
From: koorapati, koundinya [mailto:koorapati_koundinya@emc.com]
Sent: 12 November 2003 11:30
To: Brian Ford
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow

I restricted my path to just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin , but
still there's been no change in slowness that I see with every command. Here
we are given a customized Windows O.S for the company I work, by Dell
(Windows 2000 Pro). This is really mysterious. In strace I'm not able to see
which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
loaded, strace throws it's output. I guess strace is also taking it's own
time to run ?. I'm also not sure what tools on windows could be used for
troubleshooting as this is my first close encounter with MS Windows :)

Koundinya



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ford [mailto:ford@vss.fsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:37 PM
To: koorapati, koundinya
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygwin too slow


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> But simple commands like ls take this time
>
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
>
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
>
WAG, got any network drives in your path, especially ones that are not
accessable?  Where does strace show a long time between system calls?

And, oh yeah:

http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html

too.

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VITAL - Visual Simulation Systems
FlightSafety International
Phone: 314-551-8460
Fax:   314-551-8444

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RE: cygwin too slow

[kevin.lawton]

Hi, 
I run Cygwin under Win2K and find it lightening fast most of the time. Maybe the slowness you're experiencing is not down to cygwin itself, but the machine generally and Win2K's use of resources specifically. 
General advice for running under Win2K might help here - at least worth a try first - as would some idea of how other things run on this box. It might be of some help to know what spec of box you are running Win2K on. Something like a 350 MHz Duron or Celeron with only 128 Mb memory will be easily overloaded. A 1 GHz or above Pentium or Athlon with 512 Mb memory should handle most tasks in its stride. 
I would suggest: 
 * Try and remove as much of the surplus Windoze paraphernalia as you dare: wallpaper, screen savers, extra fonts - they all use a static amount of resource and contribute very little other than eye candy (a Windoze speciality). 
 * Have a look at what services are running on your machine, and stop / disable things which aren't needed. There's heaps of info out there on the web as to what each service does. 
 * If you have Micro$oft Office on the machine as well, disable things like 'findfast' and any other indexing service unless you really cannot live without them. 
 * Try making some use of Win2K's performance monitor, or see what you can download off the web, to investigate any bottlenecks on the machine. Remember these too use some resource and will probably worsen the problem. 
 * It would be useful to know what other signs the machine shows. For example: is there much hard drive activity during the delays ? 
Hope the above is of some use to you, with some more info we might be able to tackle the problem more specifically.
Kevin.   
   
-----Original Message-----
From: koorapati, koundinya [mailto:koorapati_koundinya@emc.com]
Sent: 12 November 2003 11:30
To: Brian Ford
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: cygwin too slow

I restricted my path to just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin , but
still there's been no change in slowness that I see with every command. Here
we are given a customized Windows O.S for the company I work, by Dell
(Windows 2000 Pro). This is really mysterious. In strace I'm not able to see
which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
loaded, strace throws it's output. I guess strace is also taking it's own
time to run ?. I'm also not sure what tools on windows could be used for
troubleshooting as this is my first close encounter with MS Windows :)

Koundinya



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ford [mailto:ford@vss.fsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:37 PM
To: koorapati, koundinya
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygwin too slow


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> But simple commands like ls take this time
>
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
>
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
>
WAG, got any network drives in your path, especially ones that are not
accessable?  Where does strace show a long time between system calls?

And, oh yeah:

http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html

too.

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VITAL - Visual Simulation Systems
FlightSafety International
Phone: 314-551-8460
Fax:   314-551-8444

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RE: cygwin too slow

[koorapati, koundinya]

I restricted my path to just /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin , but
still there's been no change in slowness that I see with every command. Here
we are given a customized Windows O.S for the company I work, by Dell
(Windows 2000 Pro). This is really mysterious. In strace I'm not able to see
which system call is eating up so much time as when I start a program say
'ls' with strace, I see nothing and only as ls begins to run after getting
loaded, strace throws it's output. I guess strace is also taking it's own
time to run ?. I'm also not sure what tools on windows could be used for
troubleshooting as this is my first close encounter with MS Windows :)

Koundinya



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ford [mailto:ford@vss.fsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:37 PM
To: koorapati, koundinya
Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: cygwin too slow


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> But simple commands like ls take this time
>
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
>
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
>
WAG, got any network drives in your path, especially ones that are not
accessable?  Where does strace show a long time between system calls?

And, oh yeah:

http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html

too.

-- 
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VITAL - Visual Simulation Systems
FlightSafety International
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Fax:   314-551-8444

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Re: cygwin too slow

[Brian Ford]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, koorapati, koundinya wrote:

> But simple commands like ls take this time
>
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
>
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
>
WAG, got any network drives in your path, especially ones that are not
accessable?  Where does strace show a long time between system calls?

And, oh yeah:

http://www.cygwin.com/problems.html

too.

-- 
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VITAL - Visual Simulation Systems
FlightSafety International
Phone: 314-551-8460
Fax:   314-551-8444

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Re: cygwin too slow

[Rolf Campbell]

http://cygwin.com/problems.html

koorapati, koundinya wrote:
> Hey Cygwin users,
>      After using UNIX desktops for nearly seven years now, I'm forced to use
> a windows desktop. Since I knew a thing like cygwin existed, I installed the
> complete set of packages and I was thrilled. But simple commands like ls
> take this time
> 
> $ time ls -l
> total 23
> drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
> -rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
> -rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe
> 
> real    0m18.115s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.010s
> 
> Likewise any utility I try to use like vi, emacs etc just take really long.
> I'm not sure how  I could debug this. I did try to use strace etc, but got
> no clues. Searching the archives also did not help me. BTW, I use Win 2000
> Pro on a DELL Box with 512MB RAM and at this time, top shows this:
> 
>  18:18:11 up  7:57,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 7 processes: 6 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
> CPU states:   0.2% user,   1.2% system,   0.0% nice,  98.6% idle
> Mem:    522228K total,   210788K used,   311440K free,        0K buffers
> Swap:   753248K total,   276720K used,   476528K free,        0K cached
> 
> Thanks for any help !
> 
> Koundinya
> 
> 



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cygwin too slow

[koorapati, koundinya]

Hey Cygwin users,
     After using UNIX desktops for nearly seven years now, I'm forced to use
a windows desktop. Since I knew a thing like cygwin existed, I installed the
complete set of packages and I was thrilled. But simple commands like ls
take this time

$ time ls -l
total 23
drwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-        0 Nov 11 17:50 Mail
-rw-r--r--    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-       39 Nov 10 17:42 t.c
-rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:40 t.exe
-rwxr-xr-x    1 kkoorapa mkgroup-    11224 Nov 10 17:43 tt.exe

real    0m18.115s
user    0m0.020s
sys     0m0.010s

Likewise any utility I try to use like vi, emacs etc just take really long.
I'm not sure how  I could debug this. I did try to use strace etc, but got
no clues. Searching the archives also did not help me. BTW, I use Win 2000
Pro on a DELL Box with 512MB RAM and at this time, top shows this:

 18:18:11 up  7:57,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
7 processes: 6 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states:   0.2% user,   1.2% system,   0.0% nice,  98.6% idle
Mem:    522228K total,   210788K used,   311440K free,        0K buffers
Swap:   753248K total,   276720K used,   476528K free,        0K cached

Thanks for any help !

Koundinya


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