* Package file lists archive @ 2014-05-26 5:01 Steven Penny 2014-05-26 21:22 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-05-26 5:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin The MSYS2 project keep an up to date archive with files lists for all packages http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/msys2/REPOS/MINGW/x86_64/mingw64.files.tar.gz This file is not very large considering $ gzip -l mingw64.files.tar.gz compressed uncompressed ratio uncompressed_name 982852 9585152 89.7% mingw64.files.tar I was wondering if something like this is possible with Cygwin. Currently if you want to search a file that is not installed you must use cygcheck --package-query which I have noticed can be very slow. I would be happy to help with maintaining a Cygwin archive with file lists for all packages. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-26 5:01 Package file lists archive Steven Penny @ 2014-05-26 21:22 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-05-27 9:46 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-12 21:58 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-05-26 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 05:37:45PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >The MSYS2 project keep an up to date archive with files lists for all packages > >http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/msys2/REPOS/MINGW/x86_64/mingw64.files.tar.gz > >This file is not very large considering > > $ gzip -l mingw64.files.tar.gz > compressed uncompressed ratio uncompressed_name > 982852 9585152 89.7% mingw64.files.tar > >I was wondering if something like this is possible with Cygwin. Currently if you >want to search a file that is not installed you must use > > cygcheck --package-query > >which I have noticed can be very slow. I would be happy to help with maintaining >a Cygwin archive with file lists for all packages. Not sure how you'd do that. I suspect that MSYS is a lot more static than Cygwin. I don't think package maintainers wants to notify you every time they upload a package. And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of packages available for people to download anyway. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-26 21:22 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-05-27 9:46 ` Steven Penny 2014-05-27 22:17 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-06-12 21:58 ` Steven Penny 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-05-27 9:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of > packages available for people to download anyway. Could you not just require each package includes a file list? This way you could get the information from any mirror. This would ease the burden of the cygwin.com site, as it is the only site with that information currently http://google.com/search?filter=0&q="etc/postinstall/cygcheck-dep.sh" -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-27 9:46 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-05-27 22:17 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-06-09 10:45 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-09 15:17 ` Warren Young 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-05-27 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 10:18:20PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of >> packages available for people to download anyway. > >Could you not just require each package includes a file list? This way you could >get the information from any mirror. Not interested. >This would ease the burden of the cygwin.com site, as it is the only site with >that information currently It is surviving just fine. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-27 22:17 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-09 10:45 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-12 3:13 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-09 15:17 ` Warren Young 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-09 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>This would ease the burden of the cygwin.com site, as it is the only site with >>that information currently > > It is surviving just fine. In response to this apathy, I have found my own way. Using Google Search API is in many cases faster than "cygcheck -p". Code is here http://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/blob/29cd844/apt-cyg#L308-L360 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-09 10:45 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-12 3:13 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-12 15:44 ` PolarStorm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-12 3:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Steven Penny wrote: > Using Google Search API is in many cases faster than "cygcheck -p". Code is > here Adding to this, here is the sometimes frustrating experience of "cygcheck -p" $ time cygcheck -p bin/aclocal cygcheck: unable to contact cygwin.com site, InternetOpenUrl() failed: The operation timed out (win32 error 12002) real 0m31.132s user 0m0.016s sys 0m0.031s And here is current iteration of my tool $ time apt-cyg searchall bin/aclocal getting pages . . . getting start 0 . . . getting start 8 . . . gcc-tools-epoch1-automake gcc-tools-epoch2-automake automake1.4 automake1.13 automake1.12 automake1.11 automake1.7 automake1.14 automake1.10 automake1.8 automake1.9 real 0m1.295s user 0m0.165s sys 0m0.182s -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-12 3:13 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-12 15:44 ` PolarStorm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: PolarStorm @ 2014-06-12 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin Steven Penny wrote > Adding to this, here is the sometimes frustrating experience of "cygcheck > -p" > ... > And here is current iteration of my tool > ... Thank you very much for that apt-cyg patch! I don't use cygcheck very often, but when I do it's been mostly a waste of time. Ever since I started using apt-cyg, I've been a much more happy Cygwin user. Now, with your patch that is even better. I'm sure there are loads of Cygwin users who greatly appreciate your effort. BR, -- View this message in context: http://cygwin.1069669.n5.nabble.com/Package-file-lists-archive-tp108857p109216.html Sent from the Cygwin list mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-27 22:17 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-06-09 10:45 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-09 15:17 ` Warren Young 2014-06-09 16:17 ` Steven Penny 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Warren Young @ 2014-06-09 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 5/27/2014 16:11, Christopher Faylor wrote: > >> This would ease the burden of the cygwin.com site, as it is the only site with >> that information currently > > It is surviving just fine. Speaking of, is the source for package-grep.cgi available somewhere? I could quarter the page weight, and probably improve the render time in browsers considerably, too. It currently takes about 16 seconds to completely load in Firefox on my system, most of which is just page rendering time, due to the huge table used for layout. (I'd also need either a static copy of its input, or a way to easily generate it locally.) The /packages page load time is a considerable fraction of this, at roughly 2-4 seconds. It's only returning about 120 kB of text (compressed) so that comes to roughly half a megabit/sec. I assume that means the script is running every time, re-generating the whole page text anew instead of caching the output, despite the fact that the input probably changes less often than once a day on average. Caching should give a page load time of a few hundred ms, and save some CPU time to boot. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-09 15:17 ` Warren Young @ 2014-06-09 16:17 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-17 14:29 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-09 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Warren Young wrote: > Speaking of, is the source for package-grep.cgi available somewhere? I http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/htdocs/cgi-bin2?cvsroot=cygwin Of course because of Cygwin flawless website, this is not indexed by Google and not even linked on Cygwin.com, so you are a left with "Isla de Muerta". -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-09 16:17 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-17 14:29 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-06-18 4:29 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-17 14:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Warren Young wrote: >> Speaking of, is the source for package-grep.cgi available somewhere? I > >http://cygwin.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/htdocs/cgi-bin2?cvsroot=cygwin > >Of course because of Cygwin flawless website, this is not indexed by Google and >not even linked on Cygwin.com, so you are a left with "Isla de Muerta". Ok Mr Penny. Here's warning 1 for you: Can the attitude. I'm sick of it. If you want to experimentally figure out how many warnings you get, please go right ahead and continue with this style of communication. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-17 14:29 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-18 4:29 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-18 6:18 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 4:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > If you want to experimentally figure out how many warnings you get, > please go right ahead and continue with this style of communication. Really, I can do without veiled threats. If you are going to ban me or whatever, go ahead and do it. I have brought some constructive criticisms of this project with the hope of starting a discussion around fixing/improving certain issues. Instead I am met with brick wall attitude and threats of being pushed off the mailing list. My suggestion has merit: Debian is no niche operating system and "apt-get" is no niche package manager. To look to them for "how it should be done" or "one way to do it" is not a mistake in my opinion. However I am met with this > And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of > packages available for people to download anyway. Which is little more than your opinion with no explanation or citations as to why it is a bad idea. If it is such a bad idea, why are these major Linux distros using it? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 4:29 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 6:18 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-06-18 6:53 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-18 6:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:29:53PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >>On Mon, Jun 09, 2014 at 11:17:11AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >>>Of course because of Cygwin flawless website... >>> >> If you want to experimentally figure out how many warnings you get, >> please go right ahead and continue with this style of communication. > >Really, I can do without veiled threats. If you are going to ban me or whatever, >go ahead and do it. > >I have brought some constructive criticisms of this project with the hope of >starting a discussion around fixing/improving certain issues. Instead I am met >with brick wall attitude and threats of being pushed off the mailing list. Your idea of "constructive" is apparently flawed. The comment that you cut (and I just put back) illustrates what I was talking about, as does your suggestion that I should contact Debian maintainers because I disagreed with the idea of maintaining a package file list. Your truculent insistence that I should knight you as the coreutils/bash maintainer is another example. >My suggestion has merit: Debian is no niche operating system and >"apt-get" is no niche package manager. You can make any suggestions you want. Just avoid the snide asides. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 6:18 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-18 6:53 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-18 12:29 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2014-06-18 15:22 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 6:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > Your idea of "constructive" is apparently flawed. This is an interesting comment, taking in that your response ignores the original question and focuses on off topic quibbling. I will pose your viewpoint and my question again > And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of > packages available for people to download anyway. Do you have an explanation for this opinion, or citations as to why this is a bad idea, taking into account that major Linux distros are already using this very method? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 6:53 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 12:29 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2014-06-18 14:24 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-18 15:22 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-06-18 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 06/18/2014 02:53 AM, Steven Penny wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> Your idea of "constructive" is apparently flawed. > > This is an interesting comment, taking in that your response ignores the > original question and focuses on off topic quibbling. I will pose your viewpoint > and my question again I also find it interesting that you dismiss your "off topic quibbling" since you were the one that was feeding the fire while Chris was on vacation last week. > Do you have an explanation for this opinion, or citations as to why this is a > bad idea, taking into account that major Linux distros are already using this > very method? If this was the question you wanted to ask originally, this is all you needed to add to the thread. -- Larry _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 12:29 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-06-18 14:24 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-18 15:23 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > If this was the question you wanted to ask originally, this is all you > needed to add to the thread. Hey Larry, thanks for your comments. However, did you have anything constructive to add, like an answer to the question? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 14:24 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-18 15:23 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-08-03 21:07 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-18 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 09:24:13AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >>If this was the question you wanted to ask originally, this is all you >>needed to add to the thread. > >Hey Larry, thanks for your comments. However, did you have anything >constructive to add, like an answer to the question? Although we are friends, there is no reason to expect Larry to be able to explain my opinions. Please move on. This isn't going to happen. Or take it to cygwin-talk. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 15:23 ` Christopher Faylor @ 2014-08-03 21:07 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-04 3:01 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-03 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin In June I presented the idea of a "Package file lists archive" and was met with this > I understand how the package generation would have to work and don't see a > major benefit to introducing a package list file given the amount of work and > the fact that I would have to do the work. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-06/msg00276.html However Christopher has since left the project > In the last several months I've told various key players in the Cygwin project > that I was thinking about withdrawing from the project. Today is the day that > this becomes official. http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-07/msg00392.html I would like to revisit this issue. I would like to see if I can help in any way to make this happen. My work on "apt-cyg" has been hindered by the issue with "cygcheck --package-query" http://github.com/transcode-open/apt-cyg/issues/21 -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-03 21:07 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-04 3:01 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 2014-08-04 3:38 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2014-08-04 3:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Sun, 2014-08-03 at 16:07 -0500, Steven Penny wrote: > In June I presented the idea of a "Package file lists archive" and was met with > this > > > I understand how the package generation would have to work and don't see a > > major benefit to introducing a package list file given the amount of work and > > the fact that I would have to do the work. > > http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2014-06/msg00276.html > > However Christopher has since left the project Please don't assume that this means that we're ready to automatically rehash every decision he made over the last however-many years. > I would like to revisit this issue. I would like to see if I can help in any way > to make this happen. My work on "apt-cyg" has been hindered by the issue with > "cygcheck --package-query" package_grep.cgi could probably use some optimization; PTC. Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-04 3:01 ` Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2014-08-04 3:38 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-07 17:38 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-04 3:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > package_grep.cgi could probably use some optimization; PTC. No, the whole point of this thread is to kill "package_grep.cgi" in favor of a master file list, like is used with - Debian - Ubuntu - Arch Linux - MSYS2 - apt-get - pacman -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-04 3:38 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-07 17:38 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-07 17:49 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-07 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > Please don't assume that this means that we're ready to automatically > rehash every decision he made over the last however-many years. I will add that the problem with "cygcheck" still exists, it has been an issue since at least May when I started tracking it $ date; time cygcheck -p bin/aclocal Thu Aug 7 12:07:27 CDT 2014 cygcheck: unable to contact cygwin.com site, InternetOpenUrl() failed: The operation timed out (win32 error 12002) real 0m29.172s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.015s -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-07 17:38 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-07 17:49 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2014-08-07 21:04 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-08-07 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 08/07/2014 01:38 PM, Steven Penny wrote: > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >> Please don't assume that this means that we're ready to automatically >> rehash every decision he made over the last however-many years. > > I will add that the problem with "cygcheck" still exists, it has been an issue > since at least May when I started tracking it > > $ date; time cygcheck -p bin/aclocal > Thu Aug 7 12:07:27 CDT 2014 > cygcheck: unable to contact cygwin.com site, InternetOpenUrl() failed: > The operation timed out > (win32 error 12002) The above command works fine for me. Have you tried this on a different machine or though a different network provider? -- Larry _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-07 17:49 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-08-07 21:04 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-07 21:42 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-07 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: > The above command works fine for me. Have you tried this on a different > machine or though a different network provider? It is an intermittent problem. I will be having timeouts with Cygwin when other websites will be working perfectly fine. This is the typical situation - try "cygcheck -p", timeout - try again, will work after 15 seconds - try again, will work after 7 seconds - try again, will work after 1 second, as expected After that all will be normal, until I try it again several hours later and the process just repeats. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-07 21:04 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-07 21:42 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) 2014-08-08 1:05 ` Andrey Repin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-08-07 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 08/07/2014 05:04 PM, Steven Penny wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >> The above command works fine for me. Have you tried this on a different >> machine or though a different network provider? > > It is an intermittent problem. I will be having timeouts with Cygwin when other > websites will be working perfectly fine. This is the typical situation > > - try "cygcheck -p", timeout > - try again, will work after 15 seconds > - try again, will work after 7 seconds > - try again, will work after 1 second, as expected > > After that all will be normal, until I try it again several hours later and the > process just repeats. Interesting. OK, I've been running it in a loop for the last half-hour and haven't seen any timeouts. I suppose there could be a difference in local configuration if you're still seeing the issue. If you think that could be coming into play, there may be some benefit to posting your cygcheck output to see if that suggests something. -- Larry _____________________________________________________________________ A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-07 21:42 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-08-08 1:05 ` Andrey Repin 2014-08-08 1:30 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Andrey Repin @ 2014-08-08 1:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Larry Hall (Cygwin) Greetings, Larry Hall (Cygwin)! >>> The above command works fine for me. Have you tried this on a different >>> machine or though a different network provider? >> >> It is an intermittent problem. I will be having timeouts with Cygwin when other >> websites will be working perfectly fine. This is the typical situation >> >> - try "cygcheck -p", timeout >> - try again, will work after 15 seconds >> - try again, will work after 7 seconds >> - try again, will work after 1 second, as expected >> >> After that all will be normal, until I try it again several hours later and the >> process just repeats. > Interesting. OK, I've been running it in a loop for the last half-hour and > haven't seen any timeouts. I suppose there could be a difference in local > configuration if you're still seeing the issue. If you think that could be > coming into play, there may be some benefit to posting your cygcheck output > to see if that suggests something. There's little to see in Cygcheck, when you have flaky DNS servers, that unable to respond timely. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@yandex.ru) 08.08.2014, <02:43> Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 1:05 ` Andrey Repin @ 2014-08-08 1:30 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-08 2:05 ` Andrey Repin 2014-08-08 3:33 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 1:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: > There's little to see in Cygcheck, when you have flaky DNS servers, that > unable to respond timely. As I have already said, when I am having problems with "cygcheck" other websites will be working perfectly fine. I have noticed a pattern of you posting content with little or no value. Please going forward do not post any replys to my topics. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 1:30 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 2:05 ` Andrey Repin 2014-08-08 2:13 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-08 3:33 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Andrey Repin @ 2014-08-08 2:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steven Penny, cygwin Greetings, Steven Penny! >> There's little to see in Cygcheck, when you have flaky DNS servers, that >> unable to respond timely. > As I have already said, when I am having problems with "cygcheck" other websites > will be working perfectly fine. "Other websites" probably requested by alot of other users of your DNS server, and never leave cache. Either way, without seeing in first person, what's going on, it's all just a guess. > I have noticed a pattern of you posting content with little or no value. Please > going forward do not post any replys to my topics. Check the image in your mirror, please. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@yandex.ru) 08.08.2014, <05:50> Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 2:05 ` Andrey Repin @ 2014-08-08 2:13 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-08 3:21 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 2:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Check the image in your mirror, please. I see your listening skills are on par with your posting skills. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 2:13 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 3:21 ` Steven Penny 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 3:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin So, to respond to the DNS allegations, I have this script url='http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi' qs='text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal' while : do time wget --spider --timeout 30 "$url?$qs" done Here are results of first 10 iterations real 0m16.957s real 0m17.425s real 0m17.160s real 0m17.004s real 0m16.895s real 0m17.207s real 0m16.910s real 0m16.770s real 0m17.316s real 0m16.770s and here is detail on 11th iteration Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:06:49-- http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying. Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:07:20-- (try: 2) http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying. Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:07:52-- (try: 3) http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying. Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:08:25-- (try: 4) http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying. Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:08:59-- (try: 5) http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection timed out) in headers. Retrying. Spider mode enabled. Check if remote file exists. --2014-08-07 22:09:34-- (try: 6) http://209.132.180.131/cgi-bin2/package-grep.cgi? text=1&arch=x86_64&grep=aclocal Connecting to 209.132.180.131:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: unspecified [text/plain] Remote file exists. real 3m3.128s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.045s -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 1:30 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-08 2:05 ` Andrey Repin @ 2014-08-08 3:33 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 2014-08-08 3:59 ` Steven Penny 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2014-08-08 3:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 20:30 -0500, Steven Penny wrote: > I have noticed a pattern of you posting content with little or no value. Please > going forward do not post any replys to my topics. This is out of line. This is a community forum, and you are in no position to dictate who says what here. We will not tolerate any further attacks of this kind. If you wish to continue participating in this forum, then cease these attacks immediately. Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 3:33 ` Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2014-08-08 3:59 ` Steven Penny 2014-08-08 4:55 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 3:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > If you wish to continue participating in this forum, then cease these > attacks immediately. Thank you for the reply, I will heed this going forward. However, do you have any input regarding the topic? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-08-08 3:59 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-08-08 4:55 ` Yaakov Selkowitz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Yaakov Selkowitz @ 2014-08-08 4:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 22:59 -0500, Steven Penny wrote: > On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > If you wish to continue participating in this forum, then cease these > > attacks immediately. > > Thank you for the reply, I will heed this going forward. Thank you. > However, do you have any input regarding the topic? It is somewhat of a known issue; cygcheck -p sometimes times out for me too, and AFAIK the cause is package-grep.cgi being too slow. Some of that might depend on how busy sourceware is at that moment; the fact that repeat attempts are faster makes me think that is a result of caching. Given that we're still working on getting all the infrastructure tasks under control, optimizing package-grep.cgi would be the only short term solution; once again, PTC. In the long term, if were going to drastically change the package database, IMO it should be in a way that would be used by the website, cygcheck, and setup*.exe. A sqlite database comes to mind (as yum uses one); there are already mingw*-sqlite packages in Ports, and the website could use DBI and DBD::sqlite. This is *really* in the realm of PTC though. Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-18 6:53 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-18 12:29 ` Larry Hall (Cygwin) @ 2014-06-18 15:22 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-18 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 01:53:14AM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> Your idea of "constructive" is apparently flawed. > >This is an interesting comment, taking in that your response ignores the >original question and focuses on off topic quibbling. I will pose your viewpoint >and my question again I was actually staying on-topic with what I wanted to address: namely the thin ice that you are walking with your posting style. >>And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of >>packages available for people to download anyway. > >Do you have an explanation for this opinion, or citations as to why >this is a bad idea, taking into account that major Linux distros are >already using this very method? Frankly, I don't have to justify my opinion. I understand how the package generation would have to work and don't see a major benefit to introducing a package list file given the amount of work and the fact that I would have to do the work. I also don't want to spend my time debating with you about why it is or isn't a good idea. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-05-26 21:22 ` Christopher Faylor 2014-05-27 9:46 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-12 21:58 ` Steven Penny 2014-06-17 14:27 ` Christopher Faylor 1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread From: Steven Penny @ 2014-06-12 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: > And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of > packages available for people to download anyway. I would counter that Debian and others who use "apt-get" already do this, Example http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/Contents-amd64.gz > This file maps each file available in the Debian GNU/Linux system to > the package from which it originates. It includes packages from the > DIST distribution for the ARCH architecture. > You can use this list to determine which package contains a specific > file, or whether or not a specific file is available. The list is > updated weekly, each architecture on a different day. so maybe you could voice your opinion to them as well. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: Package file lists archive 2014-06-12 21:58 ` Steven Penny @ 2014-06-17 14:27 ` Christopher Faylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread From: Christopher Faylor @ 2014-06-17 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 04:58:25PM -0500, Steven Penny wrote: >On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote: >> And, frankly, I think it's a bad idea to keep a monolithic list of >> packages available for people to download anyway. > >I would counter that Debian and others who use "apt-get" already do this, >Example > >http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/Contents-amd64.gz > >> This file maps each file available in the Debian GNU/Linux system to >> the package from which it originates. It includes packages from the >> DIST distribution for the ARCH architecture. >> You can use this list to determine which package contains a specific >> file, or whether or not a specific file is available. The list is >> updated weekly, each architecture on a different day. > >so maybe you could voice your opinion to them as well. FYI, trolling is obviously off-topic here. It's nice that you found a solution to your problem, however. cgf -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
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