From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18873 invoked by alias); 5 Jun 2018 16:19:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 17995 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jun 2018 16:19:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,GIT_PATCH_2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=press, apt-get, Servers, sit X-HELO: mail-ot0-f169.google.com Received: from mail-ot0-f169.google.com (HELO mail-ot0-f169.google.com) (74.125.82.169) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:19:45 +0000 Received: by mail-ot0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i5-v6so3528459otf.1 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=epDYibg9mjU04ieg0OegcmrbCquhHblvLWYH2Cd34fE=; b=Eu4RHYs8RRWOcbK9lrCnD9ZGrC+IjMd2MeK/JHRjXA1WxfKLFlcQqrkF+ss0TAYTcJ RjeMVH5sX8eWI+fIm4n4yUvWO4Lx1iERgLYaoJBVq8wKAu/ZaTRO1V31f1y57q+z+4Mf ktTWXckr2O6Fsa3NhP5nCE/BszjM69qzl/gLpDBMo4WUEcwGpbeH57UyVe5Rg3JZEkSV jd1XULKrRBYwIKnfSlhDgl10mW28OX3JdSYEuv7oDobBL6rdBJQtiu0WsxJfcg7avQ9z h4+h8bX5IqmdvWjbX24hSt7rXWkIw9BUFHy30sRRQz+++wh8AI2vvfQfdasDKr5Bu6Wa rTzg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E3tyHk5uNuEm4cpY6EfdhbQL0oh83iB+xmCb37F5Ye4R27sHbj3 mH0cuG9TQk4rwhiqC1dRNB3cWFDmZ+3eawFvkAk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKK9B7GmkBLuVjGbD785myv3g3zeFTCuJBkVgWtq1pBf6vI8j2dH0DVKxTrXwRiU16/txjK3bPPA7jfe13G7Nu8= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4894:: with SMTP id d20-v6mr18744420otf.399.1528215583527; Tue, 05 Jun 2018 09:19:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac9:4607:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5B16B381.7010205@tlinx.org> References: <5d579671-213c-c742-05b2-b771a827b6f5@cygwin.com> <5B15D849.60308@tlinx.org> <5B16B381.7010205@tlinx.org> From: Paul Sheer Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:19:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Cygwin X11 Server slow performance To: L A Walsh Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SW-Source: 2018-06/txt/msg00041.txt.bz2 20 years ago Linux cult members were using the same "blame-the-user"-type arguments. Nothing has changed. I don't use Emacs. I only gave it as an easily-testable example. Try: apt-get install xemacs ; export DISPLAY=windows.mylan:0.0 ; xemacs Professionally, I have been a C++ developer for 20 years, and I am also a published author: https://www.amazon.com/LINUX-Rute-Users-Tutorial-Exposition/dp/0130333514 I don't need to do ANY analysis or tests to see that the Cygwin and Mingw X Servers have abhorrent latency problems: you press a key and you wait 0.25 seconds for the page to render. That's like the speed of a page render over 9600 baud terminal. X Servers were NEVER this slow even in the 1990s. Why would I sit and do a mathematical analysis, when I can simply uninstall it and install something that actually works??? Why would I waist my time trying to fix the problem, when cygwin mailing list respondents refuse to admit the problem exists??? You are like a Flat-Earther the way you argue. Paul On 6/5/18, L A Walsh wrote: > Paul Sheer wrote: >>> Maybe you aren't familiar with 'X'. X is just a graphical >>> transport. It doesn't have menus unless some other program puts them >>> up. >>> Try 'X' on linux -- running it from startX from a console and see >>> how easy it is to use. >>> >> >> >> NetSarang commercial X server has configuration menus to set keyboard >> mappings, cut-paste behavior, and various other settings in a user >> friendly manner. It has orders of magnitude faster performance in a >> side-by-side comparison using XEmacs Motif as a test application >> displayed remotely over a 1GB LAN. > --- > That's fine, but how much does NetSarang cost for 10-15 years > of commercial support & upgrades? > > I use Gvim over a Gtk interface. The fact that you are > comfortable with a 20 yr-old graphical interface, that was only > reasonably supported by commercial Unix vendors puts you in a > different class of users -- which was why I suggested an Apple > based OS in the first place. > > >> But that fact that you are using the reason "X is just a graphical >> transport" as an excuse makes me realize it is impossible to have a >> conversation with you. > --- > From my perspective, that's what it is, not too many > programs are built on the Xlib et al. widget set. I tune my programs > and I/O more for file I/O and know my toolsets enough to know that > they don't do with small packets, but had file I/O tuned at > 125megaB (mega=10**6) writes and 119megaB reads over a 1GB LAN > and now get 600+MB(M=2**20) reads and 275+ writes over a 8Gb LAN > (10 in name, but lose 20% to bus speed). My speeds now, in file > I/O and in gvim are limited by CPU speed as Gvim does near full > syntax parsing for error and color display. > > Realize though, that the fact that you prefer a commercial > emacs version to a free X11+gtk Gvim sorta puts you more in a > commercial apple class which is another reason I pointed at > Apple based computers. Also, even the fact that you prefer emacs > + motif...makes it less likely you'll be happy with something > that requires more work on the part of the user to tune for the > OS + hardware; again=> apple. > > I hope you appreciate my input, it certainly wasn't from a fanboy > of any of the OS's, point of view, but you've indicated you want > Cadillac features and support. I suggest and hope you find what > you are looking for. > > > (M=2**30) writes with > -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple