From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52917 invoked by alias); 13 Feb 2016 00:37:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 52896 invoked by uid 89); 13 Feb 2016 00:37:44 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPAM_BODY,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=kids, computers, Sign, grandma X-HELO: mail-lf0-f48.google.com Received: from mail-lf0-f48.google.com (HELO mail-lf0-f48.google.com) (209.85.215.48) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-GCM-SHA256 encrypted) ESMTPS; Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:37:42 +0000 Received: by mail-lf0-f48.google.com with SMTP id j78so61354983lfb.1 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 16:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6+P1DY6jt+wOY4AV8Z7AzgZ5ZnrZ7x3Zzu3TcXU5QDM=; b=GjkgDZ47ystf3KPkL2ncEIIuUTY0HjkMp98tPK290HbRvNmc7EwSO2hOOIJMN/zXGW BWrT40Tmo7rTArqvhK12E7qdsxY0LldjATIc5cPjn7luW6C74dUBAk3JoJI8ujF3RbBE jTuYuqkR3MS5SQtTCZU+ybqA7i39mz1kX1bjqtcxYNifZcKDjDGC0jY801Uck+Quj0sL /Phe2jTZkPVLUFuoKf1msKzG5nFr/b5NmtSIPrxGoMB4UPbmBR9aAbOjgJj/zRS5iQRL 0rFUstMsi6Ey+THsXf9JzpsDnXjzqM4BXlxBJQpfvykmRQcqaqhDXFFu/fTB81BvgCbp uZSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORaqG/ouqAkfbdLoSSHxYkVUBgARwOs93FqDjTOxyjQ6FPf7+hm++iP8YhbWnAvyeZElO1133Pe7NNogw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.25.209.80 with SMTP id i77mr1913452lfg.33.1455323859281; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 16:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.86.196 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 16:37:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <56BA9DB2.3080106@cygwin.com> <56BB6FD1.6000208@molconn.com> <56BB7220.5010101@cygwin.com> <56BCCE7D.6040605@gmail.com> <4D4ECA09-53B3-4A16-89BC-E9C7054A22C7@etr-usa.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 00:37:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Last Version of Cygwin for XP From: Erik Soderquist To: cygwin@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2016-02/txt/msg00182.txt.bz2 On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Warren Young wrote: > On Feb 12, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Erik Soderquist wrote: >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Warren Young wrote: >> >>> I hope not. Extended support ended nearly two years ago. >> >> ...why waste the resources on newer (and more bloated) packages? > > The same blade cuts both ways. The small and shrinking percentage > of Cygwin + XP users aren=E2=80=99t worth much resource spent on the Cygw= in > side. > > Coat your XP boxes in amber and keep on using them, if you must, > but any updates you still get are pure bonus at this point. I have, my "amber" is the virtual env without network access even possible for them. ;) I've approached the vendor multiple times about Linux support or opensourcing the package, to no avail, and currently I'm studying programming myself now with a direct goal of being able to write a Linux compatible replacement so I can dump my own amber-coated XP >> I get very tired of people consistently implying (or >> outright saying) that not upgrading XP is some form of stupidity or >> insanity. > > Yes, well, when there are still millions of XP-based ATMs out there, > I think I have sufficient justification for reflexive shaming. [1] > > The Home Depot and Target breaches basically came down to > unpatched XP boxes. [2] We heartily agree here, these examples should have had XP replaced _before_ support for XP ran out so there would not have been such a risk. I still question whether nor not reflexive is appropriate. >> Would I trust one of these hosts on the internet at all? > > Of all the XP machines in the world, what percentage have no > reason to be on the Internet in 2016? I would say zero percent as of 2014. > > I suspect there are more cases of low-regard Internet-connected > XP boxes than carefully-firewalled cases like yours: Agreed; I seem to be the "freak" a lot of the time > - grandma=E2=80=99s email machine > - the Steam PC in the kids=E2=80=99 room > - the embedded PC inside the Internet-connected kiosk > - the machine driving the vinyl cutter at Bill=E2=80=99s Sign Shop=E2=80= =A6 > > Since these boxes are likely to end up as hosts for a botnet, > I=E2=80=99m not willing to say it=E2=80=99s just their own lookout. Thei= r disregard > is causing problems for the rest of us. Of these, I think only the vinyl cutter could be salvaged in a way similar to my setup, and the rest, like it or not, need to be upgraded or replaced. Unfortunately, I suspect most users in those scenarios don't know enough about computers in general to understand why they need to be upgraded or replaced. > [1] http://goo.gl/9Zf3pw > [2] http://goo.gl/EJ5tiY keeping these links because they are excellent references -- Erik -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple