RE: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

RE: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]]

Corinna Vinschen sent the following at Friday, July 20, 2012 4:48 AM
>On Jul 19 22:38, SPC wrote:
>> Hello. I'm a Cygwin lists subscriber (with some problems from time to
>> time to send mails but this is another story).
>>
>> The message about outdated FAQs of yesterday let me think in the
>> general lack of translations of Unix-like-items documentation to
>> spanish language.
>>
>> Exists something translated under Cygwin to spanish ? Some kind of team
>> doing it ?
>>
>> In negative case I could dedicate some time to this project, including
>> translations inside source code.
>
>I hope you mean the documentation sources. I'm not fluent in spanish and
>converting my english comments in the Cygwin sources to spanish would
>left me a bit puzzled :)
>
>The documentation is written by the developers. There's no doc team
>nor a translation team, given that we have only a tiny number of
>contributors to the Cygwin package codebase. If you're interested
>in providing a spanish translation of the docs or the FAQs, we can
>certainly arrange a side project for translations in CVS, and the
>necessary web space to publish them.
>
>If you're interested, we could discuss the howto in the cygwin-apps
>mailing list.
>
>Btw., the same goes for anybody who would like to provide translations
>in any other language, naturally. I would just like to ask that you make
>sure you mean that seriously and don't drop off right at the next stop.

I've wondered about this.  My experience with Google Translate on
non-technical text to French (which I speak reasonably, though far from
fluently) is that it often works very well, though occasionally it
generates a bit of utter nonsense.  My question is whether it is good
enough for something like a FAQ?  Should this be officially recommended?

For Corinna's expert opinion plus recently discussed languages:
  German: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.html&act=url&tl=de
  Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.html&act=url&tl=es
  Armenian: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.html&act=url&tl=hy

- Barry
  Disclaimer: Statements made herein are not made on behalf of NIAID.

Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[David Sastre Medina]

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On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:18:01PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote:
>   Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.html&act=url&tl=es

Please don't use this translation, 50% of it doesn't make any sense at
all.

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Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[SPC]

My experience with Google Translate is not bad, but David is right
about the translation from other idioms to Spanish. I wondered about
that many times. he only reasonable explain is related with the option
available under Google Translate to suggest a better translation.

For this reason, the use of GT to *begin* with a translation to
Spanish is reasonable only in a very limited context. You need to work
 *a lot* directly with the text object of translation.

With independence of this, as I told previously, I should like to try it.

Regards
Sergio


2012/7/21 David Sastre Medina
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:18:01PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] wrote:
>>   Spanish: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcygwin.com%2Ffaq.html&act=url&tl=es
>
> Please don't use this translation, 50% of it doesn't make any sense at
> all.
>
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Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[David Sastre Medina]

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On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 07:38:15PM +0200, SPC wrote:
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> about the translation from other idioms to Spanish. I wondered about
s/idiom/language/

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Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[Andrey Repin]

Greetings, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]!

> I've wondered about this.  My experience with Google Translate on
> non-technical text to French (which I speak reasonably, though far from
> fluently) is that it often works very well, though occasionally it
> generates a bit of utter nonsense.

It generates utter nonsense 50% of the time, other 50% it is barely
understandable, or at least ambiguous.
This goes into both directions, English -> foreign and foreign -> English.
This was one of the reasons, why I at least cat read/write English.

>  My question is whether it is good enough for something like a FAQ?  Should
> this be officially recommended? 

I wouldn't do so. This may cause more harm, than the potential good that you
may gain from it.


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Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 22.07.2012, <17:53>

Sorry for my terrible english...


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Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[SPC]

On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into
Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator
for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this
case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable.

Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-)

Regards
Sergio

2012/7/22 Andrey Repin
> Greetings, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]!
>
> It generates utter nonsense 50% of the time, other 50% it is barely
> understandable, or at least ambiguous.
> This goes into both directions, English -> foreign and foreign -> English.
> This was one of the reasons, why I at least cat read/write English.
>

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Re: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[David Sastre Medina]

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, SPC wrote:
> On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into
> Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator
> for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this
> case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable.
> 
> Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-)

If would be nice if you could share a link to your work. I'll be glad
to review your translation if you like the idea.

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Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[SPC]

No problem. But let me organize myself :-)

But, one questión... Some preferences to stablish a repository ? I have
account in Git, Sourceforge and Google for diverse projects, and I could use
one Project Site as ProjectLinkr or Teambox if needed. In the most simple
case, I could define a resource and store the work under a Public Directory
in Dropbox, Box.net or similar services.

Preferences ?

Regards
Sergio Pedraja

2012/7/24 David Sastre Medina

> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:58:18PM +0200, SPC wrote:
> > On the comments of Andrey, I've started with the translation into
> > Spanish (from Spain) this afternoon. I have used the Google translator
> > for a first translation and then review the results in detail. In this
> > case the translation to Spanish provided by Google was acceptable.
> >
> > Of course, I didn't front yet the body of the FAQ :-)
>
> If would be nice if you could share a link to your work. I'll be glad
> to review your translation if you like the idea.
>
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Re: Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[David Sastre Medina]

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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:35:10PM +0200, SPC wrote:
> No problem. But let me organize myself :-)
> 
> But, one questión... Some preferences to stablish a repository ? I have
> account in Git, Sourceforge and Google for diverse projects, and I could use
> one Project Site as ProjectLinkr or Teambox if needed. In the most simple
> case, I could define a resource and store the work under a Public Directory
> in Dropbox, Box.net or similar services.
> 
> Preferences ?

GitHub is fine for me, but I'll use whichever one you prefer.

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Re: Fwd: FAQ and Documentation translation to other languages

[SPC]

Fine.

Sergio.

2012/7/24 David Sastre Medina
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:35:10PM +0200, SPC wrote:
>>
>> Preferences ?
>
> GitHub is fine for me, but I'll use whichever one you prefer.
>

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