From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49079 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2016 07:53:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 49043 invoked by uid 89); 26 Apr 2016 07:53:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=Secure, Dinwoodie!, dinwoodie!, bullshit X-HELO: mail-wm0-f54.google.com Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com (HELO mail-wm0-f54.google.com) (74.125.82.54) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-GCM-SHA256 encrypted) ESMTPS; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 07:53:04 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-f54.google.com with SMTP id u206so21053145wme.1 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=wJ5sU15PT7HxAq74YHPoXLNmQvBk4rEuLZZfWvbE5MY=; b=SC2/WgwqrgAahC7m+o0AmC8uOoMbgGsZbGmq9SFvzkn5oGuqRm7+L6dt71XigYkC0I uFLaZtfVTjnHoEbwU4UVFH3GeV3aHUBgOGOE6yUdrbsK6wvPBdL5ViXGRGp0iRzU7RE7 Kws58JI6Vo8hmm/AQ9zVMVQZ7PDdHt4eK//17ch72xfmU6Bx8N/8rPvH5fJj7ultRtPD uuBPICARqsSgL5ZHMh08asClgtB4R2QGUL/lcwL06TYSemkTw/YKv8vpOOQl92gTDkNY Y/ohw7mX2rYR65jAsyLZwFybogX735VaEFaX/1uvPZjoo4LuU019n1szL/eFuQoj4SIw F8mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUyvFRfeBHREFhHrz62/QN+TkZdzjnP29G3Tf/KoIftLy0Sh2fOz52oN4Pleazs4ZeS1y5q+h7De7gj8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.135.200 with SMTP id j191mr17339813wmd.54.1461657181906; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.118.200 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:53:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1591620976.20160425160517@yandex.ru> References: <1074467721.20160425030008@yandex.ru> <48360918.20160425084918@yandex.ru> <20160425124332.GO2345@dinwoodie.org> <1591620976.20160425160517@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proposed patch for web site: update most links to HTTPS From: Csaba Raduly To: cygwin list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-SW-Source: 2016-04/txt/msg00602.txt.bz2 On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Adam Dinwoodie! > >> Secure connections historically had a high overhead, sure, but that's >> very rarely the case nowadays. Certainly my experince of loading the >> Cygwin web page is that there's no perceptible difference between the >> http and https versions. Adam Langley (a senior engineer at Google) >> wrote an article back in 2010 about how TLS is now computationally >> cheap[0]; it's only gotten cheaper since. > > Typical marketing bullshit. Using profanity does not make your argument stronger. The article in question is informative and fairly technical. Just because it has several paragraphs saying "look at these neat things we experiment with at Google" does not make it "typical marketing bullshit". >> [0]: https://www.imperialviolet.org/2010/06/25/overclocking-ssl.html > >> See also https://istlsfastyet.com/, which has a lot of discussion about >> the impacts of TLS, but the short answer is "yes". > > If YOUR experience was positive, mine was always negative, especially with > cygwin.com, down to being forced to switch to plain HTTP to even load any > page. > (snip) >> But I agree with Brian: the Cygwin website should use https everywhere >> unless there's some good, specific reason why it's a bad idea. And "TLS is >> slow" hasn't been a good reason for years. > > See above. "One guy doesn't like it" is not a good, specific reason. Csaba -- GCS a+ e++ d- C++ ULS$ L+$ !E- W++ P+++$ w++$ tv+ b++ DI D++ 5++ The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers. Life is complex, with real and imaginary parts. "Ok, it boots. Which means it must be bug-free and perfect. " -- Linus Torvalds "People disagree with me. I just ignore them." -- Linus Torvalds -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple