* mintty scroll to bottom @ 2012-02-29 12:49 Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 2012-03-01 10:19 ` Corinna Vinschen 2012-03-01 20:43 ` Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-02-29 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's -si|+si Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. I'd like to have it turned on, i.e., scroll to bottom whenever there is new output. Couldn't find anything for mintty and it seems mintty doesn't scroll. Thanks, Michael -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-02-29 12:49 mintty scroll to bottom Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-03-01 10:19 ` Corinna Vinschen 2012-03-01 20:45 ` Andy Koppe 2012-03-01 20:43 ` Andy Koppe 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-01 10:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Feb 29 13:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's > > -si|+si > Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; > resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. > > I'd like to have it turned on, i.e., scroll to bottom whenever > there is new output. Couldn't find anything for mintty and it > seems mintty doesn't scroll. Maybe you should ask this on the mintty mailing list mintty-discuss AT googlegroups DOT com Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-01 10:19 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-01 20:45 ` Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-01 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 1 March 2012 10:19, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Feb 29 13:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >> What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >> >> -si|+si >> Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >> resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >> >> I'd like to have it turned on, i.e., scroll to bottom whenever >> there is new output. Couldn't find anything for mintty and it >> seems mintty doesn't scroll. > > Maybe you should ask this on the mintty mailing list mintty-discuss AT > googlegroups DOT com I don't mind mintty questions being sent here (unless of course they're not relevant to Cygwin's mintty), not least because there's more of a chance of someone else answering them here. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-02-29 12:49 mintty scroll to bottom Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 2012-03-01 10:19 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-01 20:43 ` Andy Koppe 2012-03-02 8:42 ` Corinna Vinschen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-01 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's > > -si|+si > Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; > resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any keypress that sends something to the terminal. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-01 20:43 ` Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-02 8:42 ` Corinna Vinschen 2012-03-02 20:21 ` Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-02 8:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: > On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's > > > > -si|+si > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. > > There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current > output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any > keypress that sends something to the terminal. Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful feature, IMHO. SHTDI? ;) Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-02 8:42 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-02 20:21 ` Andy Koppe 2012-03-02 20:40 ` Ryan Johnson 2012-03-04 11:51 ` Corinna Vinschen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-02 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: >> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >> > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >> > >> > -si|+si >> > Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >> > resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >> >> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current >> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any >> keypress that sends something to the terminal. > > Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful > feature, IMHO. I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it really frustrating. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-02 20:21 ` Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-02 20:40 ` Ryan Johnson 2012-03-03 9:24 ` Andy Koppe 2012-03-04 11:51 ` Corinna Vinschen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Ryan Johnson @ 2012-03-02 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 02/03/2012 3:20 PM, Andy Koppe wrote: > On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: >>> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >>>> What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >>>> >>>> -si|+si >>>> Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >>>> resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >>> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current >>> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any >>> keypress that sends something to the terminal. >> Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful >> feature, IMHO. > I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output > is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the > scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is > rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it > really frustrating. Heh. Frustration seconded. Trying to highlight a moving target is especially annoying. My workaround (for reading, at least) is to drag the scrollbar manually upward with the mouse... once finished reading I just "drag" it a couple inches to the side so Windows gives up and reverts to the bar's original at-bottom position. Even then, though, a spam-happy terminal can be hard to pin down because the scrollpane grows so fast. I'd be interested to hear of a situation where scroll-to-bottom is useful and Shift+End/keypress isn't satisfactory. BTW, what happens in mintty if the part of the output you're looking at falls out of the scrollback buffer while you're looking at it? Does it start scrolling at line rate but 5000 lines back in time? Ryan -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-02 20:40 ` Ryan Johnson @ 2012-03-03 9:24 ` Andy Koppe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Andy Koppe @ 2012-03-03 9:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2 March 2012 20:39, Ryan Johnson wrote: > BTW, what happens in mintty if the part of the output you're looking at > falls out of the scrollback buffer while you're looking at it? Does it start > scrolling at line rate but 5000 lines back in time? 'fraid so. Obviously, increasing the scrollback size can reduce the chances of this happening. Scrollback storage is reasonably efficient, so setting it to a million or even higher shouldn't be a problem with today's RAM sizes. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-02 20:21 ` Andy Koppe 2012-03-02 20:40 ` Ryan Johnson @ 2012-03-04 11:51 ` Corinna Vinschen 2012-03-05 10:05 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-04 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On Mar 2 20:20, Andy Koppe wrote: > On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > > On Mar  1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: > >> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael  SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > >> > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's > >> > > >> > -si|+si > >> >        Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; > >> >        resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. > >> > >> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current > >> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any > >> keypress that sends something to the terminal. > > > > Any chance to implement this?  Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful > > feature, IMHO. > > I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output > is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the > scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is > rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it > really frustrating. THat's why this is an option in xterm. Every use has another idea how the terminal should behave in this regard, I guess. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Project Co-Leader cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-04 11:51 ` Corinna Vinschen @ 2012-03-05 10:05 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 2012-03-05 17:25 ` Ryan Johnson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-03-05 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On March 04, 2012 12:51 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >On Mar 2 20:20, Andy Koppe wrote: >> On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> > On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: >> >> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >> >> > What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >> >> > >> >> > -si|+si >> >> > Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >> >> > resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >> >> >> >> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current >> >> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any >> >> keypress that sends something to the terminal. >> > >> > Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful >> > feature, IMHO. >> >> I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output >> is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the >> scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is >> rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it >> really frustrating. > >THat's why this is an option in xterm. Every use has another idea how >the terminal should behave in this regard, I guess. I'd also appreciate very much implementing that option. mintty is promoted here as a replacement for rxvt but obviously lacks a functionality I've come to depend on. My use case is a terminal window in which I don't do much but where a lot of background jobs regularly produce output. A quick glance at the window tells me the current status of those jobs. Not with mintty anymore. Same with the classic use case tail -f logfile. Thanks, Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-05 10:05 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-03-05 17:25 ` Ryan Johnson 2012-03-05 18:35 ` Andrey Repin 2012-03-05 18:57 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Ryan Johnson @ 2012-03-05 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 05/03/2012 5:05 AM, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > On March 04, 2012 12:51 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >> On Mar 2 20:20, Andy Koppe wrote: >>> On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>>> On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>>> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >>>>>> What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >>>>>> >>>>>> -si|+si >>>>>> Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >>>>>> resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >>>>> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current >>>>> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any >>>>> keypress that sends something to the terminal. >>>> Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful >>>> feature, IMHO. >>> I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output >>> is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the >>> scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is >>> rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it >>> really frustrating. >> THat's why this is an option in xterm. Every use has another idea how >> the terminal should behave in this regard, I guess. > I'd also appreciate very much implementing that option. mintty is > promoted here as a replacement for rxvt but obviously lacks a functionality > I've come to depend on. My use case is a terminal window in which I don't > do much but where a lot of background jobs regularly produce output. > A quick glance at the window tells me the current status of those jobs. > Not with mintty anymore. Same with the classic use case tail -f logfile. What you describe above sounds more like mintty allowing a visible "end of output" to scroll off the bottom without following it, a behavior I've never observed and which would arguably be a bug. When I fire up something that produces copious output (gcc bootstrap, compile emacs, etc.) mintty scrolls to track end-of-output unless I purposefully scroll upward (in which case I'd prefer it to stay put long enough to read/copy the text rather than immediately jumping me back to end-of-output). Once the scrollbar is set back to bottom, it again tracks end-of-output. This can easily be checked with the following in mintty+bash: $ for ((i=0; ; i=i+1)); do sleep .5; echo $i; done Am I missing something? Or do your background jobs just produce output really infrequently compared to 'make all'? The latter is the only way I can see "reading stuff from the past" and "scroll-to-bottom" coexisting peacefully (because then you wouldn't [usually] get interrupted while reading, and it would be easy to miss the arrival of new output if the terminal isn't tracking it). But then, my long-running stuff always lives in a screen session anyway, where the terminal's scroll-to-bottom behavior is moot. Disclaimer: I'm really not bothered if the option exists (disabled by default) in mintty, I just can't imagine a use case where it would be helpful and hoped those asking for the feature might be able to enlighten me (I've changed habits several times in the past after hearing peoples' answers to questions like this). Ryan -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-05 17:25 ` Ryan Johnson @ 2012-03-05 18:35 ` Andrey Repin 2012-03-05 18:57 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: Andrey Repin @ 2012-03-05 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan Johnson, cygwin Greetings, Ryan Johnson! > Or do your background jobs just produce output really infrequently compared to 'make all'? This is what came to my mind, when I saw your discussion. I'm not using "Reset scrollback on display activity" feature (in PuTTY) myself, but I see several use cases, where I could've had better results if it would have been enabled. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 05.03.2012, <22:19> Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* RE: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-05 17:25 ` Ryan Johnson 2012-03-05 18:35 ` Andrey Repin @ 2012-03-05 18:57 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW 2012-03-06 19:46 ` David Sastre Medina 1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread From: Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-03-05 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ryan Johnson, cygwin On March 05, 2012 6:26 PM Ryan Johnson wrote: >On 05/03/2012 5:05 AM, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >> On March 04, 2012 12:51 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>> On Mar 2 20:20, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>> On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: >>>>> On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: >>>>>> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: >>>>>>> What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -si|+si >>>>>>> Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; >>>>>>> resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. >>>>>> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current >>>>>> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any >>>>>> keypress that sends something to the terminal. >>>>> Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful >>>>> feature, IMHO. >>>> I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output >>>> is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the >>>> scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is >>>> rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it >>>> really frustrating. >>> THat's why this is an option in xterm. Every use has another idea how >>> the terminal should behave in this regard, I guess. >> I'd also appreciate very much implementing that option. mintty is >> promoted here as a replacement for rxvt but obviously lacks a functionality >> I've come to depend on. My use case is a terminal window in which I don't >> do much but where a lot of background jobs regularly produce output. >> A quick glance at the window tells me the current status of those jobs. >> Not with mintty anymore. Same with the classic use case tail -f logfile. >What you describe above sounds more like mintty allowing a visible "end >of output" to scroll off the bottom without following it, a behavior >I've never observed and which would arguably be a bug. That's not what I said. > >When I fire up something that produces copious output (gcc bootstrap, >compile emacs, etc.) mintty scrolls to track end-of-output unless I >purposefully scroll upward Right, same here. Turning on scroll-to-bottom would change that. It scrolls to bottom immediately. >(in which case I'd prefer it to stay put long >enough to read/copy the text rather than immediately jumping me back to >end-of-output). That depends on what I am doing in such a terminal. I might have a tail -f /var/log/messages & in that session on a system with low syslog activity. I want to be notified immediately if there is output and don't mind being interrupted. >Once the scrollbar is set back to bottom, it again >tracks end-of-output. Correct. And that's the step I want to skip. The si-option does exactly that. > >Am I missing something? Or do your background jobs just produce output >really infrequently compared to 'make all'? In this case yes, but I also like scroll-to-bottom if there's more output. >The latter is the only way I >can see "reading stuff from the past" and "scroll-to-bottom" coexisting >peacefully They usually won't. That’s why this should be an option and not the default. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
* Re: mintty scroll to bottom 2012-03-05 18:57 ` Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW @ 2012-03-06 19:46 ` David Sastre Medina 0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread From: David Sastre Medina @ 2012-03-06 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3793 bytes --] On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:57:29PM +0100, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > On March 05, 2012 6:26 PM Ryan Johnson wrote: > >On 05/03/2012 5:05 AM, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > >> On March 04, 2012 12:51 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >>> On Mar 2 20:20, Andy Koppe wrote: > >>>> On 2 March 2012 08:41, Corinna Vinschen wrote: > >>>>> On Mar 1 20:43, Andy Koppe wrote: > >>>>>> On 29 February 2012 12:46, Lemke, Michael SZ/HZA-ZSW wrote: > >>>>>>> What is the mintty equivalent to rxvt/xterm's > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -si|+si > >>>>>>> Turn on/off scroll-to-bottom on TTY output inhibit; > >>>>>>> resource scrollTtyOutput has opposite effect. > >>>>>> There's no such option. Shift+End will get you back to the current > >>>>>> output after looking at something in the scrollback, as will any > >>>>>> keypress that sends something to the terminal. > >>>>> Any chance to implement this? Automatic scroll-to-bottom is a useful > >>>>> feature, IMHO. > >>>> I disagree. The point of being able to scroll back to earlier output > >>>> is to read and perhaps copy something. When doing that, having the > >>>> scrollback jump back to the bottom without the user asking for it is > >>>> rather unhelpful. The Windows console does this, and I always found it > >>>> really frustrating. > >>> THat's why this is an option in xterm. Every use has another idea how > >>> the terminal should behave in this regard, I guess. > >> I'd also appreciate very much implementing that option. mintty is > >> promoted here as a replacement for rxvt but obviously lacks a functionality > >> I've come to depend on. My use case is a terminal window in which I don't > >> do much but where a lot of background jobs regularly produce output. > >> A quick glance at the window tells me the current status of those jobs. > >> Not with mintty anymore. Same with the classic use case tail -f logfile. > >What you describe above sounds more like mintty allowing a visible "end > >of output" to scroll off the bottom without following it, a behavior > >I've never observed and which would arguably be a bug. > > That's not what I said. > > > > >When I fire up something that produces copious output (gcc bootstrap, > >compile emacs, etc.) mintty scrolls to track end-of-output unless I > >purposefully scroll upward > > Right, same here. Turning on scroll-to-bottom would change that. It > scrolls to bottom immediately. > > >(in which case I'd prefer it to stay put long > >enough to read/copy the text rather than immediately jumping me back to > >end-of-output). > > That depends on what I am doing in such a terminal. I might have a > tail -f /var/log/messages & in that session on a system with low > syslog activity. I want to be notified immediately if there is > output and don't mind being interrupted. > > >Once the scrollbar is set back to bottom, it again > >tracks end-of-output. > > Correct. And that's the step I want to skip. The si-option does > exactly that. > > > > >Am I missing something? Or do your background jobs just produce output > >really infrequently compared to 'make all'? > > In this case yes, but I also like scroll-to-bottom if there's more output. > > >The latter is the only way I > >can see "reading stuff from the past" and "scroll-to-bottom" coexisting > >peacefully > > They usually won't. That’s why this should be an option and not the > default. Most of the behaviour discussed in this thread can be achieved or emulated using screen (notification on activity, scroll and output logging at will, etc). Might be useful to take a look at it. -- Huella de clave primaria: AD8F BDC0 5A2C FD5F A179 60E7 F79B AB04 5299 EC56 [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 230 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 14+ messages in thread
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