From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ua1-x935.google.com (mail-ua1-x935.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::935]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4771A3858D34 for ; Fri, 8 May 2020 16:44:52 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 4771A3858D34 Received: by mail-ua1-x935.google.com with SMTP id i5so879202uaq.1 for ; Fri, 08 May 2020 09:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mu7jGhfdaaXCKu29s8j7VRTV+5ZjTmOrdxoqZ7BUzVY=; b=ImAPyM9+AKqDFJHp5VD/iAzfK4OaGV8TMt8FeuD85AwwQBi+G0kD6gh7jtrNnUpUzi q0bYnn1BwcmDKTRmd3fVxeYn4OapOM/VR8fergmXbvwQvHBFLcXzwMhRG/EUv0Q+c+qK bfIOVKXfBrYozeovWaQ43Om8qf0crF9UlnxnMX9XhSWt8DmIS+wW0zvQ1U7m3oKI3voF C+RbGc1M3jJW4Gi0kqbK8D2Mo2OajgKTNAW9sUPsVBPFW3nhusIRLTJfa67IOa4nqw7x 0OeZCeViV8rJvl70Lbz3VFTcxlEOFSDXeLLGnQGVceVk0qDDyl6CmdTj8eSA1PPVJhQC oGjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYacm6w0VDjBg2rFb9nXgurEJXA7pWYkn6o3UVZBQ+lmYzMfLHt Y95A16WOVWGzcwe5TENSJj1yNjlkhAyljxHQEqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJf7CP2sbqTAxa2QxDF6hchwAdIr88Ska6ieYhi0Am09l84y7r0NqmDjhqsRNSaByKEAPHeIkhROLTB7zq1pzU= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:25b8:: with SMTP id 53mr2878145uaf.102.1588956291724; Fri, 08 May 2020 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <690d1a13-6993-2890-add1-4f7dab8db3d4@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <690d1a13-6993-2890-add1-4f7dab8db3d4@gmail.com> From: Maarten Hoes Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 18:44:26 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Downgrading Cygwin components and dependencies To: Marco Atzeri Cc: cygwin X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 16:44:53 -0000 On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:17 PM Marco Atzeri via Cygwin wrote: > Am 08.05.2020 um 14:10 schrieb Maarten Hoes via Cygwin: > > Hi, > > > > > > In another thread (that I did not want to hijack) it was mentioned that > you > > can downgrade (parts of) your cygwin installation by selecting > > previous/older versions of things. > > > > In the cygwin installer, I can select (a few) older versions of the > > components by clicking on the drop down menu next to the package names. > > However, it appears that this only downgrades the package you explicitly > > selected, and does not automatically downgrade components that depend on > > it. > > Correct. It is supposed to be used on the seldom case that a specific > new package is not working > > > For example, if I select a previous version of 'xorg-server', I would > > expect that all packages that have a dependency on that to also be > > downgraded (in this example, perhaps 'xorg-server-common' and > > 'xorg-server-extra'). But this does not seem to be the case. > > To much expectation. It is not the case. > Hrm. I was kinda hoping for a full-fledged package manager. Oh, well. > > The list of packages built with the same source is mentioned here: > https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/xorg-server-src.html > > Thanks for pointing that out. > Setup is NOT looking at this information. > I understand now. Why do you need to downgrade the X server ? > The current/latest version of Cygwin does not give me the 'full desktop experience' (startmenu,toolbar, right click-on-desktop for context menu, etc.) for KDE or GNOME. The only desktop that seems to work reliably for me with 'current' cygwin seems to be Xfce. I asked about that in another thread ('Cygwin/X: KDE Desktop'), but no-one seemed to know how to fix it. Now, in an attempt to figure out for what version this worked for the last time (and perhaps the first version it broke), I looked towards downgrading X11 up till the point it still worked, so people more capable than me can perhaps try to figure out what version/changes caused the breakage.(Alternative approaches to troubleshoot this issue are welcomed of course). PS: During google searching, I found the 'Cygwin Time Machine'. It archives past Cygwin 'snapshots' (read: all packages that were 'current' at some given date in the past). I fully realize this is by no means a 'supported' configuration, but I dropped back to this date "2018/10/01", and at least the "GNOME Flashback (Metacity)" works as expected now when it did not with 'current' Cygwin. Even LXDE seems to start correctly with this release at least 'every other time' (like another poster mentioned in another thread). Perhaps I need to go back further to find a release where both KDE and GNOME worked. [1] http://www.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html - Maarten