From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 130147 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2018 18:37:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 130139 invoked by uid 89); 13 Jun 2018 18:37:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,GIT_PATCH_2,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 spammy=choices, INTL, xterm, observe X-HELO: mail-wm0-f49.google.com Received: from mail-wm0-f49.google.com (HELO mail-wm0-f49.google.com) (74.125.82.49) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 18:37:07 +0000 Received: by mail-wm0-f49.google.com with SMTP id v16-v6so6367614wmh.5 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=2x1TS+tn0YAIfj1K4HvrwPfwKVp333BRRzJDHj3avKY=; b=F2EEufRjjNdMbRKBCSGYwANRiima+98Y2xGzWXuWmUPhXtXLITzWEDudnGv8aP2unZ tDXqAfwCiIWAzsg6xEEnjdeeDOiCvcYJpBMeag5bb91MCyzi1+vWglC1z8yh7uXJ9THf 3NSbYYcMbsnVvaYHk3Xxzg9AUCMtHLtwVtm4wI5X1RCkNQ9S4gkfQARrNxCRWP2opY5D xIwsuTI9mAdm1gfxZL0TotR1GkVAG6W4FMdZ2ojC+KKYTDfgFcqEV8oNrxP/VxE9+2CM lT9ICB+6P7odiec41BWVHolmArMOlZ6R5K+UZkYvrm1WGFnp7FQQ5wCcqNAA+Lo6EfNE 8fkg== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1/c4RCZEIl9YSxSYg2AtYeKGneTbpPH+Opki9AIupu8zY5hxFU hCoFPuf5jilBH8N2Wa9QIgudZlZShanQXyAPTh3UbX0v X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKnZA5xIYcvq0r1mP9fZH5UbUg2s+UjcV11PDV8dc2qixPy+gVT19UB/4sBqwqc+qPgn8jF/KBNEfpnd0jvkv0= X-Received: by 2002:a50:8ea4:: with SMTP id w33-v6mr5231290edw.140.1528915021915; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a50:b102:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <371735234.20180613055129@yandex.ru> References: <0f87d9a8-4e32-4edb-26b4-648b28358309@gmail.com> <636f4ac0-bd18-5ba0-5b81-c67f6d8fea96@dronecode.org.uk> <058ccbd0-ecc4-87db-85c4-1447e28d589e@dronecode.org.uk> <371735234.20180613055129@yandex.ru> From: Matt Nicholas Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:22:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: xterm / Windows 10 question To: The Cygwin Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SW-Source: 2018-06/txt/msg00155.txt.bz2 Hi Andrey, I'm starting to feel a bit guilty about wasting bandwidth on the Cygwin mailing list because my initial question was answered by other posters and the problem has, as a practical matter, been solved. That's not to say I understand all aspects of the interaction between Windows 10 keyboard layouts, the X Server, and xterm windows. To answer your questions: > Why? Do you need the INTL one? If not, just remove it. Yes, I agree. I did remove ENG INTL following Microsoft's documented procedure. (Settings > Time & Language > Region & Language, select ENG INTL, click Remove.) This appeared to work -- ENG INTL no longer shows up in the Region & Language dialog. However, it remains one of the choices I can toggle through using +space. So... presumably I don''t yet know how to actually remove it. > That makes little sense to me. > What if I have more than one input language? What if I actually NEED both > layouts? Yes, of course, if you need more than one input language you should keep them installed. What I was trying to say in my previous post was simply that the X Server uses the layout that's in effect when you start the X Server. So if, for example, you want xterm windows to start up with "ENG US" rather than "ENG INTL", then you should select "ENG US" before starting the X Server. If you fail to do that, it seems you can switch after the fact using "setxkbmap". Best Regards, --- Matt On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: > Greetings, Matt Nicholas! > > > Hi Jon, > > > Thanks for the additional comments. > > > The two keyboard layouts that are installed are "ENG US" and "ENG INTL". > > (These are the two I see when I toggle through them using > Key>+space.) > > Why? Do you need the INTL one? If not, just remove it. > > > I just rebooted the laptop and did not observe the problem with xterm > > windows that prompted my initial post. I suppose this all makes sense > > based on the fact that xterm windows use the layout that was in effect > when > > the X Server was started. I.e., you can't subsequently change the > behavior > > of xterm by selecting a different layout using +space. (At > > that point can use "setxkbmap us".) > > > My understanding at this point is that the only thing necessary is to > make > > sure the desired layout (in my case "ENG US") is selected before starting > > the X Server. > > That makes little sense to me. > What if I have more than one input language? What if I actually NEED both > layouts? > > > -- > With best regards, > Andrey Repin > Wednesday, June 13, 2018 5:50:14 > > Sorry for my terrible english... > > -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple