From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.com (mout.gmx.com [74.208.4.201]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 107E93858D31 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:42:02 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 107E93858D31 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=iname.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=bstewart@iname.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mail.com; s=dbd5af2cbaf7; t=1587404521; bh=LmNtsmCYpl/fQv7DBcuFjUnecDXA8Z24Rmmo+vuVaIw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To; b=xxwvn14hEw0iNx8qHhJCy3PhFiVNse0KJLZ8Gelnz9ZwVQQfYiZl2QgS5zSq2y0yp 1UAt3C5nARGch75fK97XZ8xPWgFdGHp7He4qz5sfawQy9XFxYnBL24nnFglx8Aeojo WW319fkNe515UAvXCPx3vVl4X01HrdFc56J/8tNg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 214d933f-fd2f-45c7-a636-f5d79ae31a79 Received: from mail-lf1-f50.google.com ([209.85.167.50]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus005 [74.208.5.15]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LjH7x-1ioDCw09ct-00daEK for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:42:01 +0200 Received: by mail-lf1-f50.google.com with SMTP id h6so8731882lfc.0 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub5T30W9iu+n3WXtj8v7pA3DiWE/97gpQd8NVuoVt6i73RGbkfQ +MnQ9xr+lLmTRKKdzyIjNPh4jqcOxgTll1S4Uzc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ96fuLfikjRWvS5QIsG4GBYzuuOhI346hFa4AWfcAeUq/hE/R8rK2Jfx73esRVCYVsPOJooJ/UQ/WXhR5Nmnc= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5dc6:: with SMTP id x6mr11136512lfq.108.1587404519252; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:41:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200417174902.GA32412@iguana.crashland.org> <169450016.20200417211620@yandex.ru> <20200420172017.GA17660@iguana.crashland.org> In-Reply-To: <20200420172017.GA17660@iguana.crashland.org> From: Bill Stewart Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:41:32 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Two naive questions To: cygwin@cygwin.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8talp1UANIa8Bam9pgsQivYimZq9rjJl01qZyfbD1tMA+BG+PAS iTZxYYbq3H8r69VaG4Iy+HpCDIcvYf0/8dxisktwpjKWQ8MirQY/25X+kwTUJA6K/F2N3KL eiTKEhRSoOQSefZcmBOa18N5RU4yHHgoDcvA302G7S89P7f54sQOAiH2jvMaRWf6/AeOFaS wEGeBT7p8qa/Kyyy8O2JA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3qVc8Xzk+QI=:qsJmowSmWjGBo9henp882a tK//YxxzxR61fqmkDHzf85pPZh5Yr16sHhUakC2isKkvs494w5IBymxf9cg75Up4by75/Rvv+ dDGiCCy9905W1Nr13u7hVfg6lRaBUKdD93ARqorDVs4yioFcsMd2e+SK6VcewRqPg2jW8whvV nDJPtKr67/SvV/ZF3da+MNaqWu2IN0SwoIUj2BhgRJy+e8yTzmfWtZd8fcqr3vayDiceuXeqm iKdPSVsK+zLocUMj3fjh0D5pEJxMiScfasW+faPuvIxUBQH30NR7vBnFd9VafVbqRK9mG9Pfd x5vTId4CoehOT64Ww6lmPE0+Jb1cEXxXxvuc9AS0yAVJxkZ/a1Q2s3KST7eiK6vMEKkUCyZ0y cytUZDsi6qSHuHGaTpVUvUQFNNghbnW8tWmL1UhtQQaUA4oSvbfTYTy4v/1GTzP4Kghnuq1F0 lRS+19H+fGsW5YrG06b/QFQnDGO6LpHSRnho6WXiV+46zZdHhvdMcT3bqAJ+r+GgFKergkKjW 5gloJ0dwisFtlSRgzsWklUpG2KOiKasXT1DLV8r9IT4ny4CGWSmDoART5WsZ9Juup8GRIAo1n nqIVvqzRvL8UHR09aDAYQZwObKu8eDfrmlYGTYcyquj2qY0ks9E/RrQoeN0MMwtlK9HHTAwUF 9J6OcJZCGexBHgdFLxrqbCUvNy2xHRUlt05cvL/8071KHSml9QVqd2Fq72uguEWDGwSGNPy/E QSToebFrHslG0pajYttHw2AizPaICtyiCieO+QUMSIXgURMeR/FQagMeZGMqXi3zEdrXukQfk 6f/e5+yo7z/sphQzp0qKzX1J702kEDC5fcH8XXuvS3oD5b3bTmMZtmzZ1zwZh+HGXQjcPi97D OmnWg+vD5K1PifHITOKKBfIVjmlGycG/uKqDLmGHa1PtoBAc9E3s8EFmD9o8AID2TsbiL5DYT qP0dSNFUHd6JU1m6uJH4CIwA4UvapN0rGL8+6QMJU9DcCcjscUJVgopUfUxOQPdE5t+AeTBQs YrH2fSyIvy8FrNNHhE5IQSRr4ujt5BjaIjkTQvN9iFasbdWF/VUekg7MwsHJsvOZzld2kMaEF L6Gn5lilyrUmPqiHReefnvdlHK+oyaersU6MVQdnFFi9txVWZ/YDx71PiL0fXlT2FgyQBwUiR ZqWrVDErFTt5HidhyBQbhJNDtqQIBJu2uLvr6DZnRT8JJ+W3UO0pLUhLCvTajfyn8SaJu0HBW ykR5Vop20m8AdQw6k X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:42:03 -0000 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:20 AM Stephen Carrier wrote: > I think the OP's first question was asking how to effectively join > an existing thread when one is browsing the recent archives and not > subscribed to the list. > > Joining the list after seeing a question one would like to answer > doesn't help, because the message you would like to respond to has > already gone by. > > I think a good solution would be to get the message number from the web > archive and request that a particular message be sent to you. Then you > could respond to that message and join the thread properly. > > However, there doesn't seem to be a way to do that. I used to be notified > how to retrieve messages I had missed (due to bouncing) but the method > did not work. Furthermore, the mailman faq doesn't mention any way to > do this. I would say that this is a side-effect of using a mailing list when what's really being asked for is a discussion forum. A mailing list is convenient for self-subscription and replies, but replying to a past message (one that's "already gone by" as stated above) is not really possible (that I know of?). Starting a new message to the list with an identical subject to an existing thread doesn't reply to the existing thread but rather starts a new thread with an identical subject (since the thread ID is different). What I could suggest for this case is to start a new message and provide a link to a web-based copy of the message that you're replying to - this at least provides context, even though it starts a new thread. (This, of course, depends on a web-based archive of past messages.) This exact problem is one of the main reasons why many organizations prefer a web-based forum rather than a mailing list. (NNTP is a possibility, but many [most?] organizations block NNTP access for content management and security reasons.) One of the other main reasons a web-based forum is preferable is that participants don't have to store/delete irrelevant messages. Bill