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From: Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@gmail.com>
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: strtod ("nan") returns negative NaN
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:23:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANnLRdiv6KsEz3bQz54aL5Oxfytv=GUXxL3=MZ+4YZ75O7tTHQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8636vgac6e.fsf@gmail.com>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 17:09, Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue 14 Aug 2018, Steven Penny wrote:
> > a number can be positive or negative. as "NaN" is by definition not a number,
> > it cannot be positive or negative, it is simply itself, something anathema to
> > a number.
>
> The C standard disagrees with you [ISO:IEC 9899:2011, section 5.2.4.2.2]:
>
> "An implementation may give zero and values that are not floating-point
> numbers (such as infinities and NaNs) a sign or may leave them unsigned.
> Wherever such values are unsigned, any requirement in this International
> Standard to retrieve the sign shall produce an unspecified sign, and any
> requirement to set the sign shall be ignored."
>

Does it disagree? I would say it did if it said MUST.. but it says MAY
I thought usually meant "be consistent with what you think is right
for your environment but yeah whatever".

 And one can read the "any requirement to set the sign shall be
ignored" as being -NaN should come back as NaN. I don't know how this
is also affected by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_10967 which
goes to the IEEE 754 NaN is not a number (except when it is). [

It looks from my layman point of view that Cygwin is ok with sending
whatever they want back if it is implementation defined. However the
bigger case is whether they want to be similar to how the other
environments report things. Currently Cygwin reports -NaN for positive
NaN and 'NaN' for '-NaN'.. which may be ok but doesn't match the other
environments which all report NaN. [Does that make sense?]



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  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-14 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-13 15:16 `std::stod ("nan")` " Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-13 16:53 ` Stephen John Smoogen
2018-08-13 23:46   ` Duncan Roe
2018-08-14  0:46     ` Stephen John Smoogen
2018-08-14  1:10       ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14  2:31         ` strtod ("nan") returns negative NaN (was `std::stod ("nan")` returns negative NaN) Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14  3:25           ` strtod ("nan") returns negative NaN Steven Penny
2018-08-14  4:46           ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14  9:56             ` Corinna Vinschen
2018-08-14 10:39               ` Corinna Vinschen
2018-08-14 12:18                 ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14 13:23                   ` Corinna Vinschen
2018-08-14 13:41                     ` Stephen John Smoogen
2018-08-14 15:25                     ` Heavenly Avenger
2018-08-14 15:54                       ` Corinna Vinschen
2018-08-14 17:08                         ` Heavenly Avenger
2018-08-14 16:05                     ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14 19:24                     ` Steven Penny
2018-08-14 21:45                       ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-14 22:23                         ` Stephen John Smoogen [this message]
2018-08-15  0:02                           ` Eric Blake
2018-08-15  7:36                             ` Steven Penny
2018-08-21  3:18                             ` Brian Inglis
2018-08-14 19:44                 ` Achim Gratz
2018-08-21 13:28                   ` Brian Inglis
2018-08-14 15:05               ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14 15:21                 ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-14 15:35                 ` Heavenly Avenger
2018-08-14 20:05                 ` Joseph Myers
2018-08-14 20:19                   ` Joseph Myers
2018-08-15  8:51                   ` Masamichi Hosoda
2018-08-15 12:55                     ` Masamichi Hosoda

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