From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4845 invoked by alias); 9 May 2011 17:41:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 4837 invoked by uid 22791); 9 May 2011 17:41:12 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,TW_RX X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from wsu-ironport01-outbound.merit.edu (HELO wsu-ironport01-outbound.merit.edu) (141.217.151.138) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 May 2011 17:40:58 +0000 X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-SMTPAuthUserID: ab2325 Received: from unknown (HELO CSUPJHBGZK1) ([141.217.5.187]) by connect.wayne.edu with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 09 May 2011 13:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lee Maschmeyer" To: References: <20110509161028.GJ27739@calimero.vinschen.de> Subject: Re: Who's using "CYGWIN=tty" and why? Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 17:41:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com X-SW-Source: 2011-05/txt/msg00096.txt.bz2 Hi all, At the risk of exciting the contempt avalanche all too pervasive in this list (never at any time by Corinna--THANKS): I'm not sure I understand the difference between the DOS console and the Windows console. And, truth to tell, I've been around here for a good long time and never heard of CYGWIN=notty. However: BRLTTY is a screen reading system that enables the use of refreshable braille devices (see below). It works on Linux and other unixes both in console mode and as an adjunct to the Unix GUI screen reader (Orca). It also works at the DOS command prompt, and gloriously beautifully in Cygwin. I tried mintty once and brltty would not read that window. Whether this can be changed by the developers I don't know. I've sporadically tried things like rxvt and when they didn't work right off the bat I didn't bother anymore since brltty is really splendid. For what it's worth, here's my cygwin.bat. Exactly how much of it is necessary and what the costs of what changes might be I don't know: @echo off c: chdir c:\cygwin\bin set HOME=c:\cygwin\home\ set LANG=en_US.UTF-8 set CYGWIN=tty notitle glob bash --login -i The rest of this message is for the merely curious: What's a refreshable braille device: It's a box that has a smooth wire screen on the top. There are pins below the holes in this wire screen. The pins can be pushed up through the holes (these are dots) or pulled down below them (these are non-dots). These pins are in eight rows corresponding to the eight rows of dots in a braille cell (eight on the computer, six for standard paper braille). There are from 18 to 84 of these 8-dot cells across the length of the wire screen, and there are buttons on the braille device to move this 18-to-84 character window around on the screen. What's "splendid" about brltty in Cygwin? Other Windows screen readers have braille, but frequently it skips blank lines for reasons I don't begin to comprehend. Brltty doesn't skip them. So it's much easier to tell the screen layout in brltty than with the braille from a Windows screen reader. Brltty is also more responsive and more accurate (it doesn't spuriously underline letters, one of the problems with braille in other screen readers). While the Windows screen reader I use (JAWS) can see the Cygwin text, not all can. Narrator is a part of the Windows OS; it's on every Windows computer. It can't see the text in Cygwin at all. I've included the brltty developers on this message and will send them Corinna's original so you may hear from somebody who knows what they're talking about. :-) Castigation, Mastication and Denigration cheerfully accepted, -- Lee Maschmeyer Wayne State University Computing Center 5925 Woodward, #281 Detroit MI 48202 USA -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple