RE: Text editors under Cygnus

RE: Text editors under Cygnus

[Glen Coakley]

> Glen Coakley wrote:
> 
> > If you would like a lighter version (no X code): 
> > 
> > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> > ( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html )
> > 
> > It doesn't run 'under' Cygnus but it does run on Windows 
> and the FAQ lists
> > where to get a small lisp module that will teach it to 
> understand Cygwin
> > mounts and paths.
> 
> 
> I don't want to get into a "my-emacs-is-better" flamewar -- 
> both NTEmacs 
> and XEmacs are great packages.  However, I do want to clear up a 
> misunderstanding:
> 
> Despite the name "XEmacs", the packages built for windows and 
> for cygwin 
> do NOT require an Xserver.  In fact, they don't contain the X code at 
> all.  (You *can* build an X-based XEmacs for cygwin, but the official 
> package is not built that way).
> 
> --Chuck

Thanks for correcting that. I made an assumption about what caused XEmacs to
load on my system. The 'lighter version' comments stands. XEmacs (OOTB)
loads much slower then Emacs. I will stop guessing as to why.


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RE: Text editors under Cygnus

[Michael Schaap]

At 04:36 24-7-2001, Jonadab the Unsightly One wrote:
>..., but as far as that
>goes it's _possible_ to write code that will work
>in either C or Perl ...

<OFFTOPIC>

That one's easy.  ;-)

#define sub int

#ifdef i_am_perl
main();
#endif

sub main()
{
     printf("Hello, World!\n");
}

</OFFTOPIC>

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RE: Text editors under Cygnus

[Jonadab the Unsightly One]

# The X in Xemacs does not refer to the X window system.

It did originally.  But these days both Emacs and XEmacs 
can be compiled and used either with or without X.  One
vs the other is a tradeoff:  XEmacs version releases
are a step ahead of the FSF's Emacs releases, but 
more elisp packages work in Emacs than in XEmacs.  

What is unfortunate is that the two are fairly
mutually incompatible; it is _possible_ to write
lisp that will work in either, but as far as that
goes it's _possible_ to write code that will work
in either C or Perl -- but it's an exercise in
adaptive engineering.  

I use Emacs because it's what I started using
when I wasn't clear on the differences, and now
I have megabytes of lisp I don't want to port.


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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Michael Schaap]

At 20:22 23-7-2001, Charles Wilson wrote:
>That little discrepancy is rather disconcerting, even to a long-time 
>XEmacs user like me.  The older cygwin-xemacs-21.1.13 package works 
>'cygwin-style' both in the (custom built) file-open dialog and in the 
>minibuffer.  I don't know why the change was made in 21.4.x -- probably an 
>mswin-related improvement that bled over to cygwin.  It didn't bother me 
>enough to complain (or code) about it.

Wouldn't it be cool if there were a Cygwin library (cygctl.dll) which was 
API compatible with the Windows file dialogs, so you could just compile and 
link your apps (like XEmacs) against it and get nice Windows-style dialogs 
with Cygwin-style paths?

But I should shut up, since I have no intention to write this myself.  :-)

  - Michael

(Now a Cygwin version of gvim (not an X version), that would really be 
useful.  Perhaps, if I ever have some time, and 6.0 is out, I will try to 
do a port.)

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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Christopher Faylor]

On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 02:22:54PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote:
>Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote:
>
>
>> And I'll just follow-up on Chuck's comment by pointing out that XEmacs,
>> because it can be built on Cygwin, automatically understands all the 
>> niceties of the Cygwin environment (like mounts, symlinks, etc) by
>> default.
>
>Bad Larry.  No cookie.  I said no emacs partisanship flamewar. <g>
>
>However, you DO have to be honest.  While in cygwin-xemacs-21.4.3, the 
>^x-^f file open command (where you type in the name of the file to open 
>in the minibuffer) works with cygwin-style paths, the 'Open' toolbar 
>button does NOT.  The toolbar button activates the windows DLL-based 
>'File Open' dialog, even in the cygwin build.  Since that dialog comes 
>from the windows system libs (comctl.dll?  I dunno) it does not and 
>cannot understand cygwin-style paths.
>
>That little discrepancy is rather disconcerting, even to a long-time 
>XEmacs user like me.  The older cygwin-xemacs-21.1.13 package works 
>'cygwin-style' both in the (custom built) file-open dialog and in the 
>minibuffer.  I don't know why the change was made in 21.4.x -- probably 
>an mswin-related improvement that bled over to cygwin.  It didn't bother 
>me enough to complain (or code) about it.

That's interesting.  I believe that Insight has/had/will-have/may-have
a similar problem.

cgf

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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Charles Wilson]

Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) wrote:


> And I'll just follow-up on Chuck's comment by pointing out that XEmacs,
> because it can be built on Cygwin, automatically understands all the 
> niceties of the Cygwin environment (like mounts, symlinks, etc) by
> default.

Bad Larry.  No cookie.  I said no emacs partisanship flamewar. <g>

However, you DO have to be honest.  While in cygwin-xemacs-21.4.3, the 
^x-^f file open command (where you type in the name of the file to open 
in the minibuffer) works with cygwin-style paths, the 'Open' toolbar 
button does NOT.  The toolbar button activates the windows DLL-based 
'File Open' dialog, even in the cygwin build.  Since that dialog comes 
from the windows system libs (comctl.dll?  I dunno) it does not and 
cannot understand cygwin-style paths.

That little discrepancy is rather disconcerting, even to a long-time 
XEmacs user like me.  The older cygwin-xemacs-21.1.13 package works 
'cygwin-style' both in the (custom built) file-open dialog and in the 
minibuffer.  I don't know why the change was made in 21.4.x -- probably 
an mswin-related improvement that bled over to cygwin.  It didn't bother 
me enough to complain (or code) about it.

--Chuck


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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 01:03 PM 7/23/2001, Charles Wilson wrote:
>Glen Coakley wrote:
>
>>If you would like a lighter version (no X code): 
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
>>( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html )
>>It doesn't run 'under' Cygnus but it does run on Windows and the FAQ lists
>>where to get a small lisp module that will teach it to understand Cygwin
>>mounts and paths.
>
>
>I don't want to get into a "my-emacs-is-better" flamewar -- both NTEmacs and XEmacs are great packages.  However, I do want to clear up a misunderstanding:
>
>Despite the name "XEmacs", the packages built for windows and for cygwin do NOT require an Xserver.  In fact, they don't contain the X code at all.  (You *can* build an X-based XEmacs for cygwin, but the official package is not built that way).


And I'll just follow-up on Chuck's comment by pointing out that XEmacs,
because it can be built on Cygwin, automatically understands all the 
niceties of the Cygwin environment (like mounts, symlinks, etc) by
default.



Larry


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RE: Text editors under Cygnus

[Robinow, David]

 You're somewhat confused.  The X in Xemacs does not refer to the X window
system.
 It is a configuration option whether to include X support and I would guess
that most people do not include X when building under Cygwin.
 I have both.  emacs-20.7/bin/emacs.exe is 3769006 bytes and the stripped
xemacs-21.4.3.exe is 4150272 bytes, hardly enough difference to prefer one
over the other.
 However, there are packages which only run on one or the other.  Pick your
favorite.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Coakley [ mailto:gcoakley@mqsoftware.com ]
> Subject: RE: Text editors under Cygnus
> If you would like a lighter version (no X code): 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> ( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html )
> 
> It doesn't run 'under' Cygnus but it does run on Windows and 
> the FAQ lists
> where to get a small lisp module that will teach it to 
> understand Cygwin
> mounts and paths.
> 

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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Charles Wilson]

Glen Coakley wrote:

> If you would like a lighter version (no X code): 
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> ( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html )
> 
> It doesn't run 'under' Cygnus but it does run on Windows and the FAQ lists
> where to get a small lisp module that will teach it to understand Cygwin
> mounts and paths.


I don't want to get into a "my-emacs-is-better" flamewar -- both NTEmacs 
and XEmacs are great packages.  However, I do want to clear up a 
misunderstanding:

Despite the name "XEmacs", the packages built for windows and for cygwin 
do NOT require an Xserver.  In fact, they don't contain the X code at 
all.  (You *can* build an X-based XEmacs for cygwin, but the official 
package is not built that way).

--Chuck




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RE: Text editors under Cygnus

[Glen Coakley]

If you would like a lighter version (no X code): 

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html )

It doesn't run 'under' Cygnus but it does run on Windows and the FAQ lists
where to get a small lisp module that will teach it to understand Cygwin
mounts and paths.

________________________________
Glen Coakley, Sr. Software Engineer
MQSoftware Inc., (763) 543-4845
"Tinkero ergo sum." -- Chuck Murcko


> -----Original Message-----
> From: dominic@herard.net [ mailto:dominic@herard.net ]
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 7:14 AM
> To: cygwin@sourceware.cygnus.com
> Subject: Text editors under Cygnus
> 
> 
> Dear Sirs,
>      Where can I obtain a full-featured text editor (like 
> Emacs) that runs under Cygnus?
>                               Sincerely,
>                               Dominic Herard
> 
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Re: Text editors under Cygnus

[Charles Wilson]

dominic@herard.net wrote:

> Dear Sirs,
>      Where can I obtain a full-featured text editor (like Emacs) that runs under Cygnus?
>                               Sincerely,


http://www.xemacs.org/

They have a setup.exe-based installed that can install a cygwin version 
of XEmacs-21.4.3 along with all desired lisp packages.  Very nice.

--Chuck



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Text editors under Cygnus

[dominic]

Dear Sirs,
     Where can I obtain a full-featured text editor (like Emacs) that runs under Cygnus?
                              Sincerely,
                              Dominic Herard

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Text editors under Cygnus

[dominic]

Dear Sirs,
     Where can I obtain a full-featured text editor (like Emacs) that runs under Cygnus?
                              Sincerely,
                              Dominic Herard

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