Is there a problem with the mail archives?

Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Stucky, Mark B. UTRC]

I just tried several searches of the archives,
and I am getting zero hits for things that I know
are in the archives.

Thanks in advance

--Mark

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RE: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Scott Carter]

I've had the same experience, several times.

Scott Carter

-----Original Message-----
From: Stucky, Mark B. UTRC [ mailto:StuckyMB@utrc.utc.com ]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:50 AM
To: 'cygwin'
Subject: Is there a problem with the mail archives?



I just tried several searches of the archives,
and I am getting zero hits for things that I know
are in the archives.

Thanks in advance

--Mark

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RE: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Earnie Boyd]

Use the search engine found at http://www.egroups.com/messages/gnu-win32 .  I
prefer it because I know that htdig has problems and I have more luck with it
than with http://www.delorie.com/archives/ (sorry, DJ).

Cheers,
Earnie.
--- Scott Carter <scarter@emware.com> wrote:
> I've had the same experience, several times.
> 
> Scott Carter
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stucky, Mark B. UTRC [ mailto:StuckyMB@utrc.utc.com ]
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:50 AM
> To: 'cygwin'
> Subject: Is there a problem with the mail archives?
> 
> 
> 
> I just tried several searches of the archives,
> and I am getting zero hits for things that I know
> are in the archives.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> --Mark
> 
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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[DJ Delorie]

> Use the search engine found at
> http://www.egroups.com/messages/gnu-win32 .  I prefer it because I
> know that htdig has problems and I have more luck with it than with
> http://www.delorie.com/archives/ (sorry, DJ).

Well, we have no way of doing anything about egroups.  If you have
problems with the archives on delorie.com, then I can help.

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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Andreas Eibach]

> Well, we have no way of doing anything about egroups.  If you have
> problems with the archives on delorie.com, then I can help.
>

DJ,

I wouldn't describe it as *problems*.
I would rather say "unnecessary BARRIERS".

Why on earth do you only allow to search 4 days back and not any more?

Well I can only (partly) agree with Earnie, at the current state the
archives
on delorie.com are not of much "productive" use to me because I like a way
of searching more than 4 days back.
At least one or two weeks ought to be possible.
Well I don't think that's too much bleeting.

Is there any comprehensible reason for this limit?
I don't see any.

Andreas


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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Chris Abbey]

At 18:57 9/30/00 +0200, Andreas Eibach wrote:
>Why on earth do you only allow to search 4 days back and not any more?

well, I'm not DJ by any stretch, but I can trivially fix this one for
you... don't search on the list page at:

http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=cygwin

but instead search on the main archives page at:

http://www.delorie.com/archives/

by changing the drop down from the default djgpp to cygwin and giving it
a query; works like a charm.

Now if you really want to talk about something that keeps me from visiting
a site, how about starting up java to run that stupid punch the monkey ad.
(bad timing I guess, as that was the first ad impression burst net decided
to feed me... just earned themselves a place in my bitbucket for that.)


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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[DJ Delorie]

> Now if you really want to talk about something that keeps me from
> visiting a site, how about starting up java to run that stupid punch
> the monkey ad.

I always keep java disabled.

> (bad timing I guess, as that was the first ad impression burst net
> decided to feed me... just earned themselves a place in my bitbucket
> for that.)

Remember that revenue from those ads is the only thing keeping
delorie.com running.  Have *you* sent in your donation yet?  ;-)

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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[DJ Delorie]

> Why on earth do you only allow to search 4 days back and not any more?

There are *three* ways to search those archives:

* The archive's global search.  ( http://www.delorie.com/archives/ )
* The site's search.  ( http://www.delorie.com/search/ )
* The "days ago" search.

The "days ago" search is a simple grep (i.e. very expensive to run),
intended to be used to find a referred-to email and nothing else.
Grepping through a few days means hundreds of emails, whereas the
global search uses a keyword hash and database, so searching hundreds
of thousands of emails takes but a fraction of a second.

If you want to go further back, click on the "/archives/" link in the
header and use the global search, setting it to a week, month, year,
or infinity ago; or use one of the "Thread:" links in the mail
header.

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Re: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Andreas Eibach]

> > Why on earth do you only allow to search 4 days back and not any more?
> There are *three* ways to search those archives:

>
> * The archive's global search.  ( http://www.delorie.com/archives/ )
> * The site's search.  ( http://www.delorie.com/search/ )
> * The "days ago" search.

ARGHHHH....

Well then _I_ was the one that was confused.
Sorry...
Well I went back to www.delorie.com/archives and
I looked again. _Carefully_ this time.
YOU'RE RIGHT...I must not click on "cygwin" (that was the first to come to
my eyes,
so I "rushed" on this link  because I did want to search something about
cygwin, without
thinking what will happen, that is :)), instead I must use the search form
below.
Ahhhh...

Well I think since more people like to /search/ more than they like to
/browse/,
I suggest it's better to swap those two parts: put "search" above (because
you need it
much more often) and "browse" below.
As it could be a personal thing, please do not attach too much importance to
it.
It's just a suggestion, nothing else.

Andreas


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RE: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[David Starks-Browning]

On Thursday 28 Sep 00, Earnie Boyd writes:
> Use the search engine found at
> http://www.egroups.com/messages/gnu-win32 .

Is there nothing we can do about them calling it "gnu-win32" instead
of "cygwin"?

Regardless, I'll add a pointer to this archive in the FAQ.

Cheers,
David


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RE: Is there a problem with the mail archives?

[Earnie Boyd]

--- David Starks-Browning <starksb@ebi.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Thursday 28 Sep 00, Earnie Boyd writes:
> > Use the search engine found at
> > http://www.egroups.com/messages/gnu-win32 .
> 
> Is there nothing we can do about them calling it "gnu-win32" instead
> of "cygwin"?
> 

I suppose someone officially Cygnus could do ask them to change it.  This list
started out as gnu-win32@cygnus.com and since the change egroups left it that
way.

Cheers,

=====
Earnie Boyd
mailto:earnie_boyd@yahoo.com

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