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Mon, 14 May 2018 07:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Request new Ruby release To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <5aef0c4e.01b9370a.e260.3fe5@mx.google.com> Reply-To: cygwin@cygwin.com From: cyg Simple Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=cygsimple@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFW7cuMBEADJg9disJJSBGRlDxdAt2hR6I6Ruzm8vw+zpjEGLsYyWiBhoLV1EEmHLyhh bdPEJx0DU2sPVbTcESRiYaTOVK6wJQMFur+WZ5cUkIXfJBQPUPRUcxbjrY8MtWYguhACSP/T ZGjtxl9w92fGYLTBDqVmOb9rjEo9UbmZwDTCYhjkAvlXR/K+q6+jGgrXLIC1CpiWqE1l2yH9 RGclbNc3Yjq9RJgqiHI+VgRa2P16NteTLSrD428YJS5p8rFIYngZooNClCJsrSAZCJ2abQ40 0S+kP/lcoSph5JXIDAL6sB6hUZg9sVpL4iU2Qsm7EKDBgvw72+AGH+ApxEgijYCPe8O1aybd qq2KWOeIg40gAua3ZPq7XIGd4TGIA0kzAK0wnE1LjSWF4h/bkf8CmGn3s7upAkNa75XOKApa V2cVMmi6qdcgjCDkNQbbgvv0V4VmqQYlFXYLfzOZZB3LgydeoMERX+74aVEHKv5PxEbfwLnv 29nsKvB7yLhfYSbaHQPOIqkgMuw+bx8m1Zh9IKJv0/O8Ta/yvyW2sHWMcAAmd4t1gykbZCZa NbvKAhvIP9NWjREae+jjsJJj98mbvsI8pCFbc2coHWNAk4JyBjDcMFrhTNA+8+D5RveRERrc yFu2qU6Bl7Bz2U1VLsmo2HcmRQRO6L0CwwsIlgeZGSmyJxPzzwARAQABzStFYXJuZXN0IEJv eWQgPGVib3lkNTNlbnRlcnByaXNlc0BnbWFpbC5jb20+wsF/BBMBCAApBQJVu3LjAhsjBQkJ ZgGABwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQcYOkK+VgItVscRAApR0Iad65JnDa 7RlhEducTNM836qBbqcsQSPoEGJ5sNhHP9VF2jB2Kd4JONyksLyVD/nU+hJwTB4SnUC5dwRo 0a4HQbYSaiLoXZNlRGGP++ACy7E0BT+pvV9gd9tmLtYDvuHzEbEY70nmt8FNrheEznv6CSss jY6uGDNfXV+7Hh+xZJ9z71Gb3mO6byz5EIDz+iFZU6VpIyYVUFnyR5fvkJwNqFoOVqc5TqkR mDWWtb5nEYLMNmDcSbh1lY7YEUfHFqhT++O/gXTv9hZ5jU7kuA9OYkc4HY1ctRI3xuu+YzBY NwzEeKmdC1JK2XXERHxQGvtru+G9mwAdFQ9TAiQinsMqAJfDW/WX5eaEaTrtkizWiTM93eJ+ zXpyBtxWjdQUNpYqEysWnNz0ZA0IB6P4Py1Gdts/T0i8tDE9C9UiqbZSj7VnkP4vwI311RmP ooXuzjpOc4RFTbYdBiobpy+RLyIZSMEqRd51fveXZPCGzs3BDdNX48c2biwLVQ3MNpCKU9D3 5I0Kd6vdST4UTQrQ9Gco0o60M9+0gi/YHHAol7/XTW64Me1lj5ELsUSWnRI4xEQbCbOKRa15 LRxRoVqsVOeZqUlKI9AvrVaSaJz+PkaORcHFWIWnS+jzRc+vpvO9vbg3AoZvKrr2Rkhq/558 RTxZJz8UlUHeC+PVN7ai8GzOwU0EVbty4wEQAOu9QeDKIYUr+dRp/tNWRIt+MdHB9vxAnRIm 8fEC7/LlYu5HhdfBk9ol1EVeuQRWobipWmkPvIBBVKNFAC4yjV09Bp4s+AEIAkHD6JyQkbwd j9urYHf14RGdfJMZaA8B6vQpgywoQ51qLn1DqzEfPzeUVYTBoqDiTrfNA4roSvq3MWWl51CM plVALm57UIDnK5+8Dlgw235iu2BuzY0iq5wCeGGcZzTruudSwQ656uvcExLSVRZFuHy2tT1Z Bug2ADy99Z6qnGObiHAlQQj2JfHzszPOAJZX8k/ou4VB1WToCzIGCCMgSvrCqiMCFPj55R+s ArEz84sczVpmwujWwS2coxAVWOUVj8a+/NzZoqgi2GxjNHVNHJir4K3fMm9aADHRpysVUTdw fLJ9ya1tpCbrijJGhhUJBxuCdbUYtM55gOTAod9M+9fPk+QMt4MqxFf9yJXHKSVojjFnuUln m156Aocthzl2KezLxnde44FSblHDG7LtcSxhI0CmDS/lWZl5FPswDxjexBt8uaAwCgJUdr7x u6Q3ydTst6UXrzEowtKo7utm8L823gKcNjktKhDGHpddseC5RgPIWwp7/QDb4uiPw2Y6UI3n BH6x7dYcV0bQfsHtJ1ytdWhI5GgmPZsWoLBHtZg/065RHJpe1Dl5Orv1gtRTyMbk0iIoutYJ ABEBAAHCwWUEGAEIAA8FAlW7cuMCGwwFCQlmAYAACgkQcYOkK+VgItXjzw/+IStc4Aw/7OVU aFRBzURiIAJw8i83z3Uf87iwOurygkJ881UMEpvRUJDbEI1HQg3kyT95jw9/Oz3vMXXp+6EH cGgkLI1yJwih1GEF2MXKx5qgETWgM1DDpsW6Xhyty/hX4UW/dRlgDBh8iow7SziOc7mLwXWN 50ejMpvN7Ve2ZhqYucO5FLa6hnTssUv9pyucwuzDjmkcHn4GGeLV7xjanpMp9fMKLcOHnWJd 4IhL2AQUIVL6D1W87x9MqvbhuN9vYTro+adu4/5pogFu/oJVd0MO8GRU2TGdDac4pboAh8dW n7/PlAjvSaA9VWqR/kOQKGyOkFZXFgFtuPWUbedGasF6T+vJocWLz/R18FLB6p7EInQLGMWg wGsTPx//LTR5MItkY82S3yWiLFIqep9tz2AfSFA8OmMt89DcAtNaueK5RmhlaqLGExrd5UDh 9DEdG0tpWfTT50qekW9xvQM0BX//jKwZmW0BBpesbuvPT/2o88k6IVZ36KocuZ2bOIPILi32 wg+5v1su/z8BRNE2vrXyEBUtHkSNxAfJO9jDWlqec3RAmyvHFNORmrT2jwBYn6tWRk1frBVh rQ3yLvQckFdqNQzJ9xxtLpa+g6QvjEDsWx3edL7PHaIqtxe5F9nMnEKEI4f/92ssTst9Ot3Z 57mvQ2yi7GXAyBGBmMvhVno= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 16:10:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5aef0c4e.01b9370a.e260.3fe5@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2018-05/txt/msg00179.txt.bz2 On 5/6/2018 10:08 AM, Steven Penny wrote: > On Sun, 6 May 2018 00:54:23, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: >> The question is, if you actually understand your comments are not >> appreciated, why do you insist on making them anyway? > > because they have merit? i said that already. > Since you stated in the form of a question, I can say for me, they do not and based on the conversation of others, not for anyone but you. >>> GCC as an example is a fast updating package. >> >> No, not really. > > its fast in comparison to cygwin releases. > A base package such as GCC requires time to release to an OS and Cygwin is a emulation of an OS. Releasing just because its fresh off the press isn't going to happen. You have the opportunity to build it for yourself if you need it sooner but then you are on your own. >> Jon does not maintain all of the cross-compilers, > > yes he does? > In the form of a question again, he definitely does a great job. > http://cygwin.com/cygwin-pkg-maint > >> Exactly.  Griping (or worse) at those who are actually doing the work >> while you contribute nothing doesn't get you very far. > > this is just patently false. while my builds may not be "blessed" by > cygwin, > they are available for anyone to use, and have been for several years. > Why are you not "blessed" with your work? If you provide a service to Cygwin then why aren't you in the cygwin-pkg-maint list? It's because you haven't requested to maintain a package. >> I have never forgotten that, and hence am prepared to similarly defend >> my fellow contributors (albeit probably not as eloquently). > > thats nice, but i think your "defense" is unwarranted. all i am asking > here is > for at least yearly updates, even if in the form of "[test]" packages, of > important packages. for example, with these: > > 1. gcc-core > 2. gcc-g++ > 3. mingw64-x86_64-gcc-core > 4. mingw64-x86_64-gcc-g++ > And then you offend the maintainers who provide their time to provide you a service of distribution. If you want to maintain or co-maintain a package then ask to see if the maintainer needs help. You haven't done that, you DEMAND that a release be made. You might not see it as a DEMAND but it is one. > only 2 of the 4 would meet that criteria. as i was tired of waiting, i > built 3 > and 4 myself: > And you a free to do so. MinGW isn't GCC and those providing a package based on it do so in their free time as a gift to you and me. > http://github.com/svnpenn/glade/tree/master/mingw-w64-x86-64/gcc > > and to my surprise with the right options a build only takes about 15 > minutes. > so its doesnt seem like a crazy request to me, to have a test build > uploaded in > this case. > Maybe to you it doesn't seem like a crazy DEMAND but perhaps there are reasons you're unaware of. Ask to help rather than DEMANDing. >> You are the one who insists on throwing insults time and again, and I >> have warned you about your tone before.  I suggest you take heed. > > do i though? seriously i would like to know. i went through my posts on > this > thread: > > - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-05/msg00086.html > - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-05/msg00082.html > - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-05/msg00076.html > - http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2018-05/msg00059.html > > and i dont see a single insult that i have made. i might be critical of the > current state of certain packages, but i am not seeing insults here from > my end. > take care. While your intention isn't one of insults those who maintain the packages read them as such because you DEMAND more of their time with no effort toward progressing Cygwin from yourself. That is the insult. -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple