From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mailout02.t-online.de (mailout02.t-online.de [194.25.134.17]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EF8F3858417 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:49:45 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 9EF8F3858417 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=t-online.de Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=t-online.de Received: from fwd86.dcpf.telekom.de (fwd86.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.112]) by mailout02.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 90418349 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 02:49:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.178.26] ([79.228.84.184]) by fwd86.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1mRl1a-1uwTb60; Sun, 19 Sep 2021 02:49:42 +0200 Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] cygwin 3.3.0-0.1.9814cfd8f693 (TEST) To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <64c9fbd9-a370-ec24-a538-c0eed5b93341@cornell.edu> <765b6a51-10eb-d801-cd66-6d457bf56748@towo.net> <595331aa-6f14-fb96-8a32-1234c2dabb5b@cornell.edu> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Hans-Bernhard_Br=c3=b6ker?= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 02:49:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <595331aa-6f14-fb96-8a32-1234c2dabb5b@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1632012582-000143A3-6D4FB773/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: a6040160-e18b-4215-916f-378533cda885 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FROM, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2021 00:49:48 -0000 Am 19.09.2021 um 00:32 schrieb Ken Brown via Cygwin: > Finally, I'd like to mention that it's extremely common for > autotools-based packages to have an autogen script like Cygwin's > (sometimes called bootstrap or bootstrap.sh).  There's nothing > surprising about this. It's unsurprising to have that state of things in git checkouts. It _is_ very surprising for tarballs, though. Those are generally expected to be buildable without having to run autoconf, automake, gettext, etc. I'm pretty sure the GNU coding standards have required it since day 1. Automake generates tons of makefile real estate just for this. Generally speaking, removing the generated files (configure, aclocal.m4, Makefile.in, etc.) from git, while laudable, comes at the cost of three extra pieces of effort: 1) Unless a simple "autoreconf -is" is sufficient to do the job, a script like autogen.sh has to be prepared and put into the git 2) To the greatest extent feasible, maintainer rules have to be made to actually work to auto-update those generated files without the hassle of having to re-run autogen.sh 3) Preparing a release tarball is no longer quite as simple as just zipping up an other wise unchanged, fresh checkout (without the .git). That checkout will differ from a proper tarball in both directions: there will be files that should be in the tarball, but not in the checked-out copy, and there will be files in the check-out that should not got into the tarball. autogen.sh itself, and the special README telling people about it, are among the latter.