From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7671C3840C3D for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:20:13 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 7671C3840C3D Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id h28so379945edz.0 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 22:20:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=x160qNzYja60zhyIwimkN/NO/r7s9ejSBYAcAOnAg+A=; b=KMqCBujZzmbYDE8yYvlhr2g1Oh4vHoYWfMlhhgBP2NrEl3IPnxh8UJ38PRdBIixlBF W+t1PfZJUuk7egcWVdBMrUmg/nCQrj/OuoQhMt0YsYAoxRhTTDNBzBUYfi1LM+Q8WPlo D9wpUs29hLBCIgvdEjDDjQVAuPgRVV6n7g0C+GyRQaffnWNljPTBdcSn8t02Saj3N8z7 5CVYTFM2xdO6pZ07+yVC9aQYCrSCkWrQiEgp+Fia5IQ06UcEm2KvxtMpqfVxSqdEL0eb iewFBDHhOfos5ytNzXWwl7AO1lXPE789PUFOu6TSJ+pgslYwKeRSxSXD2avXI7lwMv6h j/Aw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531gRQ7br/6QBNuHABSk31GSSJi7X5hr9xcJ2NIHGeD5rTssp0dY E8rzAIIB0hyOUTOjndkUmyxgURn7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx59xP6lYvOw2Fjh9atis6MiJ2uZcwKIIHuAe5un+3BtOcyCVOuKP+BO0xVhJFd3pIoPm3q6g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1153:: with SMTP id g19mr14828322edw.127.1592803212323; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 22:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.121] (pd9ed5fcd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [217.237.95.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k23sm10623781ejg.89.2020.06.21.22.20.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Jun 2020 22:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Apparent bug in either (1) Cygwin default Package-list or (2) Package "bzr" dependency-list To: cygwin@cygwin.com References: <45a8baf1-f636-7c03-ec1f-7c72ee73c56d@SystematicSw.ab.ca> From: Marco Atzeri Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:20:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: it Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 05:20:15 -0000 On 22.06.2020 04:21, Allen Hewes via Cygwin wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Cygwin On Behalf Of My Name via >> Cygwin >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:04 PM >> To: Brian.Inglis@systematicsw.ab.ca >> Cc: The Cygwin Mailing List >> Subject: Re: Apparent bug in either (1) Cygwin default Package-list or (2) >> Package "bzr" dependency-list >> >> This is mostly over my head, so I'm sorry if my comment here is irrelevant, >> but I'll point out in case anyone here doesn't know, Python 3 doesn't make >> Python 2 obsolete. They are somewhat incompatible. Python 2 source >> doesn't always run in Python 3 without extensive modification. If there's any >> message you all would like me to deliver to the Bazaar (bzr) forum, I will; but >> I'm not a Bazaar developer either, just a user. >> > > Yep, I am in agreement here. I don't understand why Python 2 gets attention from Cygwin maintainers. I have a found a few packages that are "linked" (e.g. they have dependencies on either the Python27 or Python2/Python meta-package), which would explain this to some degree. Usually, it's just a rebuild (e.g. a re-configure) of the depending-ee... > > I can't get rid of three Python 2.7 packages: python27, python27-pip, python27-setuptools. I switched over to using alternatives (sometime ago) so that I can "stop" the craziness of the meta-package "python". I don't want Python 2 as my 'python'. > > The need to have two Pythons installed at the same time seems to be over. Shouldn't this remove the need to have meta-packages? > > Cygiwn isn't alone is keeping Python 2 alive. > > /allen > by default "python" is "python2" so anything calling python still requires python2, see: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ and there are a lot of packages in cygwin doing it. Packaging requires time and currently on python we are short of it. I am moving to package all python-subpackages for 3.8 and after we can look to move some packages from python2 (2.7) to python 3 (target 3.8) Regards MArco