public inbox for cygwin@cygwin.com
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Jon Turney <jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk>
To: The Cygwin Mailing List <cygwin@cygwin.com>
Subject: Re: Inconsistent handling of python3-module vs python3x-module packages
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:42:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccd673f4-b835-b27b-cfae-2ac865cbe003@dronecode.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAB8Xom-B=w0o3dNTkAOfdeGD_LRaLfte+6hO29gCAuxbw-Qb_w@mail.gmail.com>

On 16/02/2022 11:45, marco atzeri wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:11 PM Adam Dinwoodie  wrote:
>>
>> While wrangling a bunch of Python packages for my Cygwin installation,
>> I've noticed an inconsistency about how python3 vs python3x packages are
>> installed.
> 
> Only one ? ;-)
> 
>> As an example: the python3 package itself describes itself as a
>> meta-package; the package itself is almost empty, and the key thing
>> selecting the package does is depend on the latest python3x package,
>> currently python39.  The same behaviour is in place with, for example,
>> python3-tkinter.
> 
> Yes, these are real meta packages that pull the latest version
> 
>> However the python3-pytest package is marked as obsolete, and is
>> obsoleted by python36-pytest.  If I select python3-pytest for
>> installation, the package that's actually installed is python36-pytest,
>> even though there's a python39-pytest package available.
>>
>> This inconsistency means that someone naively installing python3-tkinter
>> and python3-pytest will end up with both python3.9 and python3.6
>> installed, with neither installation having access to both the pytest
>> and tkinter modules.
> 
> This is an artifact of of cygport creating python3-xxxx packages
> also for packages that never had a real package called like that.
> We had  a discussion if it was worth to make the  python3-xxxx pulling the
>   python39-xxxx instead of python39-xxxx and it was decided against it.

I think this is more the emergent behaviour due to various changes than 
the result of a considered decision.

>> I think this inconsistency is liable to cause confusion; it certainly
>> confused me until I worked out what was going on.  In my ideal world,
>> we'd be in a situation where I could specify `python3-foo` to an install
>> script and it'd automatically pick up the latest Python version
>> available; I could specify `python3x-foo` if I wanted a specific older
>> release.  But at the very least, I'd really like to see these packages
>> being handled consistently one way or another.
> 
> I expect no one looking for a package will look for obsolete packages.

It makes 'install python3-foo' a moving target for scripts.

Patches to cygport to make this work better welcome!

  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-17 15:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-16 11:10 Adam Dinwoodie
2022-02-16 11:45 ` marco atzeri
2022-02-17 15:42   ` Jon Turney [this message]
2022-02-20 16:29     ` Adam Dinwoodie
2022-02-20 17:54       ` Achim Gratz

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ccd673f4-b835-b27b-cfae-2ac865cbe003@dronecode.org.uk \
    --to=jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk \
    --cc=cygwin@cygwin.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).