Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: setup.exe (Release 2.876)

[Jon Turney <jon.turney@dronecode.org.uk>]

On 10/09/2016 19:00, Vince Rice wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Thomas Wolff <towo@towo.net> wrote:
>> Am 10.09.2016 um 07:57 schrieb Wayne Davison:
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:35 AM, Yaakov Selkowitz
>>> <yselkowitz@cygwin.com> wrote:
>>>> A new version of Setup, release 2.876, has been uploaded to
>>>> [...]
>>> The change from a button to a dropdown list for the View seems
>>> like a nice usability improvement,
>> I disagree with that, because what I want to check first is the
>> Pending view, to see what's supposed to be updated anyway. This is
>> more fiddly now than it was. Perhaps separate buttons (radio
>> buttons) for the views would be best.

There's been some discussion of making "Pending" the default view, or 
the default view if this isn't a new install.

But this basically boils down to reading the user's mind to guess if 
they ran setup to update or install a new package.

We can speculate about which of these scenarios is more common and 
therefore what is a suitable default.

> I disagree with that. A dropdown list is exactly the right treatment
> for a list o’ things. But, and I realize SHTDI, and that someone is
> not me, perhaps a “for the future” item would be a way to specify
> which view to start on, either through a command line option or
> through a kept choice.
>
> I also agree with OP’s request for a hotkey on View, although
> standard behavior of such a hotkey would be to position the cursor in
> the dropdown and open it, not automatically choose the “next” item in
> the dropdown. I can see the benefit of the latter, though.

The removal of Alt-V shortcut was not intentional, I'll fix that.

> But, more importantly (for me, anyway), can we please put the
> dropdown in the tab list? Tabbing out of the pick list goes to the
> Search text box, as it should. Shift-tabbing from the Search text box
> to go back to the Dropdown, however, instead goes to the Cancel
> button at the bottom of the page. If we can tab out of it, we should
> be able to tab (or shift-tab) back into it.

Hmm... yes, for some reason this control was never marked to be on the 
list of tabstops, which is a bit more obvious now.

> Finally, a question — what is “Picked”? It wasn’t one of the previous
> choices, and I can’t figure out what it’s supposed to represent. I
> have seven items on that page, all of which say “Keep”, and which in
> no way represents all of what I’ve installed. I have nothing on
> Pending, having updated in my previous session. (Even then, I only
> had one thing to update, but still had the same seven items on
> “Picked”.) I thought it might be things that setup “picked” for me
> based on the choices I’ve made, but that doesn’t appear to be true,
> either, based on the above — not only am I not installing anything,
> but all of the items say “Keep”.

This is described in the 2.875 announce mail, and in the tooltip as 
"Picked: Show installed packages that were selected, not installed as a 
dependency"

For existing installations, this is initially populated using some 
guesswork (all non-base installed packages which aren't dependencies), 
but should be accurately tracked going forward.

"Picked" is an unfortunate bit of leakage of setup's internal 
terminology.  If you have a better idea of what to call this view, I'd 
be glad to hear it.

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