From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from seine.is.ed.ac.uk (seine.is.ed.ac.uk [129.215.17.202]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1262A3870852 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:53:24 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 1262A3870852 Received: from crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk (crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.202.41]) by seine.is.ed.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05IGrNN2011048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:53:23 +0100 Received: from ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk (ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.24.151]) by crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05IGrMuH031530 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:53:22 +0100 Received: from ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05IGrMtb000468 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:53:22 +0100 Received: (from ht@localhost) by ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 05IGrMRT000467; Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:53:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: ecclerig.inf.ed.ac.uk: ht set sender to ht@inf.ed.ac.uk using -f To: cygwin@cygwin.com Subject: Fonts: Cygwin/X, ssh -Y, TigerVNC -- who's in charge? From: "Henry S. Thompson" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:53:22 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1012 (Gnus v5.10.12) XEmacs/21.5-b34 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at seine.is.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.84, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 129.215.17.202 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: cygwin@cygwin.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: General Cygwin discussions and problem reports List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:53:27 -0000 [Warning, gnarly X-windows issues below, read at your own risk] I run XEmacs on several Linux servers, and sometimes (always for the time being) access them via (Cygwin) ssh -Y and/or (Windows)TigerVNC. XEmacs and fonts are problematic in their own right, but I'm struggling to understand the X-windows-as-such issues of this configuration, to try to isolate my problem, which is that I'm not seeing things displayed in the fonts I want. In particular, I'm trying to understand as between the X servers running on my remote servers (there has to be one, however simple, whichever way I connect, because that's where my XEmacs instances are running, right?) and the Cygwin/X server on my machine at home. Configuration 1) I _think_ I understand that if I launch XEmacs inside an Xvnc instance on a server, viewed using a vncviewer instance on my home machine, the fonts available to it are determined by what fonts are available within the remote Xvnc instance, in whatever form. Am I also right in thinking that it does _not_ matter what fonts TigerVNC-for-Windows finds on my Cygwin box at home? Configuration 2) If OTOH I launch Cygwin/XWin, and ssh -Y from a local xterm to a remote server, where I launch XEmacs, I really don't know what happens. Does the sshd X server include a font server, or search for font.dirs, or??? Or does _all_ font-related activity depend on the Cygwin/X server? Configuration 3) Unfortunately, the configuration I like best is a mixture. I launch XEmacs inside an Xvnc instance on a server, viewed using a vncviewer instance on my home machine, and fire up gnuserv inside it. I close the viewer, and ssh -Y back to the server from home, then run gnuclient from the resulting shell, which brings up a separate window on the original XEmacs instance. I have no idea whose fonts matter in this case, can anyone explain? A related question: when running setup and looking at font packages, how can I tell whether they contain new-style (fc-list will will list them, they have names such as "DejaVu Sans Mono", or old-style (xlsfonts will list them, they have names such as "-b&h-lucidatypewriter-medium-r...")? Thanks, ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam] The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.