From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3936 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2018 18:43:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help@cygwin.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: cygwin-owner@cygwin.com Mail-Followup-To: cygwin@cygwin.com Received: (qmail 3922 invoked by uid 89); 24 Mar 2018 18:43:48 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=likes, intelligence, illumination, Penny X-HELO: mail-ua0-f171.google.com Received: from mail-ua0-f171.google.com (HELO mail-ua0-f171.google.com) (209.85.217.171) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:43:46 +0000 Received: by mail-ua0-f171.google.com with SMTP id f6so9759627ual.0 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:43:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=BqJXD8luihQyaZqJZoM4eO2GxgGPZGb7wyF41aNJmKU=; b=qwEv9bQPFverNRKRIfiuA4iqXT1ww4OXf9XqSRsJ8MjEAVt45B84MlhPh2PSOsa/t7 +KBGujt1FHzbO6IA8kI7foRHKUa8wpiJqsGoH6H3z0VnIlhQPFcaOxfGbvZrBeJKuabe Z5j5zIN7JeGBhbO1aKuTlTSI04LjCrQGvSU3cZHxrtDs/rTDGaJYnRh8iAGGuBCKDVZA 52mX6Olj3HnRBLRPoKKhK3bmrrDrC19bNydKLYr/XnC3zLbsrUuwrj87z33vhSuHAW0/ arZIWYioFqpg4xJALPo7FrFv80vrT8RIIK2dp3MWgGZ+LgYpOpJ3Pt6yD64ihuqT1ows 26gA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HCxxw/89d/fLL/h5ggL+B1jKCIeCAE3fQukod+bKNkntmiksMh sNS8kFv70L0PGDBQbB4JQeuhA0SY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsV3rX497Ly/SGHFZq4nppcCVcQzsCoa/Pdo89pxoTJ7l3Exg225HCJ70QBfV+jgrEN378VBQ== X-Received: by 10.176.2.238 with SMTP id 101mr22468158uah.30.1521917024299; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i7-Workstation.my.domain ([184.69.177.154]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o8sm2861998vke.0.2018.03.24.11.43.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: texlive-collection-basic requires Perl to be removed To: Steven Penny References: <1eeeeda6-3665-605e-6596-d518a102f37c@gmail.com> <5ab6962b.1368ca0a.688a1.ba50@mx.google.com> Cc: cygwin@cygwin.com From: Jordan Geoghegan Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:13:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; OpenBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ab6962b.1368ca0a.688a1.ba50@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2018-03/txt/msg00400.txt.bz2 If you tested it in a VM, then you would have seen that Perl is in the base. I administer dozens of OpenBSD machines for $work. Are you seriously questioning my intelligence to that degree. or are you just that obstinate? I will admit, that it looks as if you were correct in regards to FreeBSD (I haven't used it in production for years) this is why I said "I do believe it is also in the base system of FreeBSD" and did not present it as fact, I merely offered speculation vis a vis FreeBSD. Regardless, you are patently incorrect in regards to OpenBSD. I have done over 100 installs/upgrades of OpenBSD in the past several months and can confirm, that every time I have installed OpenBSD, Perl has been in the base system. How do I know this? I run some custom in house Perl programs/scripts that I wrote myself and deploy them on nearly every machine I run. The Perl scripts run from a default install and they do not invoke pkg_add as I am a zealot who likes to run only the base system where possible. I don't understand why you are refuting my statement so vehemently... this is easy to fact check. Go spin up an OBSD VM and try running a basic perl script on a text file. You will see it works. Also, by install file sets, I also meant install media, don't be pedantic. Go do some research/testing before you reply again. Thanks for the "illumination", Jordan Geoghegan On 03/24/18 11:17, Steven Penny wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:07:10, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: >> I am writing this from an OpenBSD machine. I can indeed confirm that >> Perl is in the base sytem. > > thanks for the email. however i think we may have a pot-kettle > situation here, > so allow me to illuminate you. just because you are on an OpenBSD > machine, and > you have Perl, doesnt mean that Perl is in the base system. You could > have > installed OpenBSD long ago, which didnt have Perl in Base, then > installed Perl > at some point, giving you the illusion that Perl is in the Base > system. The only > way to know for sure, would be to do a clean OS install, or to load a > live > version in a virtual machine, as I did. Since you didnt specify, I > have to > assume you did neither. > >> Those pages you reference don't show every program in the base system > > Right. > >> they merely show the install file sets. > > Wrong. The FreeBSD page contains virtual hard disk files (.vhd), and > the OpenBSD > page contains virtual optical disk files (.iso). > >> You obviously have little experience with *BSD, please don't trumpet >> misinformation if you don't know what you're talking about. > > I would say the same to you. good day. > > > -- > Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html > FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ > Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html > Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple > -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple