Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Matt Wozniski wrote:
> What you seem to have misunderstood is that when Andy said "configure 
> it in an x-ish way", he didn't mean "configure it with x resources 
> like some x applications", he meant "configure it to behave like most 
> x terminal emulators wrt selection, copying, pasting, etc".
I see, so if Andy decides to use the term "x-ish" incorrectly then I am 
at fault. Right.

If he meant "to behave like most x terminal emulators" then perhaps he 
should have used the term "x-terminal-emulator-ish".

Oh, and please don't email me directly. If you are making public speech 
here then keep it public. Your email has been rejected.
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MinTTY

[Andy Koppe]

Hi,

I'd like to introduce "MinTTY", a terminal emulator for Cygwin that I've 
been working on for a while. It is based on the terminal emulation and 
Windows frontend parts of PuTTY 0.60 by Simon Tatham and his team.

Unlike PuTTYcyg, MinTTY discards PuTTY's networking functions, which are 
already convered by Cygwin's ssh and telnet packages. This results in 
simpler configuration, a leaner interface and small code size. MinTTY's 
most obvious difference to rxvt is its native Windows interface and 
configuration dialog.

More info, as well as the latest sources and binary can be found on the 
project page:

   http://code.google.com/p/mintty

The MinTTY discussion group can be found at:

   http://groups.google.com/group/mintty-discuss

I hope you'll give MinTTY a try, and I'm looking forward to feedback and 
questions. Bug reports and feature requests can be sent via the issue 
tracker on the project page.

Regards,
Andy

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MinTTY 0.3.2

[Andy Koppe]

Hi,

I've uploaded MinTTY release 0.3.2 to http://code.google.com/p/mintty. 
It fixes a number of bugs and shortcomings:

- Pasting of multiple lines into apps like vi works properly.
- F1 to F4 send xterm-compatible VT220-style keycodes.
- The first click on the options dialog is no longer ignored.
- The scrollbar is shown by default.
- Closing on Alt-F4 can be disabled (on the Window panel).
- Characters can be entered via Alt+Numpad codes. Extending on the 
standard Windows behaviour, codepoints beyond 255 are supported and 
octal codes can be entered by typing zero as the first digit.

Special thanks to Ashok Vadekar for his help with some of these issues.

Andy

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MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andy Koppe]

Hi,

MinTTY release 0.3.3 is available from http://code.google.com/p/mintty. 
It fixes the following bugs:

- The "Disable transparency when active" feature caused the window to
flicker on XP
- The "Alt key on its own sends ^[" setting was ignored, i.e. Alt
alone always sent the ESC character
- The shortcut for the "System Default" font smoothing option didn't
work.

I've started looking into packaging and cygport, but it might still be a 
little while. I'll try to submit something before starting work on 0.4.0 
enhancements.

Andy


ps: Is this the appropriate list for such announcements?

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:17:15PM +0000, Andy Koppe wrote:
> ps: Is this the appropriate list for such announcements?

Given that you are intending to package this for the real distribution,
yes.

cgf

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Thorsten Kampe]

* Andy Koppe (Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:17:15 +0000)
> 
> MinTTY release 0.3.3 is available from http://code.google.com/p/mintty. 
> It fixes the following bugs:
> [...]
> I've started looking into packaging and cygport, but it might still be a 
> little while. I'll try to submit something before starting work on 0.4.0 
> enhancements.

I WANT TABS!!

(just kidding - but tabs would really be fine... :-) )

Thorsten


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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Danilo Turina]

Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * Andy Koppe (Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:17:15 +0000)
>> MinTTY release 0.3.3 is available from http://code.google.com/p/mintty. 
>> It fixes the following bugs:
>> [...]
>> I've started looking into packaging and cygport, but it might still be a 
>> little while. I'll try to submit something before starting work on 0.4.0 
>> enhancements.
> 
> I WANT TABS!!

Well if tabs get in, I'll throw mrxvt out of the window (or out of the 
X-Window?).

> (just kidding - but tabs would really be fine... :-) )

Please...

> 
> Thorsten
> 
> 
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Michael Lemke]

Danilo Turina <danilo.turina <at> alcatel-lucent.it> writes:

> 
> Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> > * Andy Koppe (Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:17:15 +0000)
> >> MinTTY release 0.3.3 is available from http://code.google.com/p/mintty. 
> >> It fixes the following bugs:
> >> [...]
> >> I've started looking into packaging and cygport, but it might still be a 
> >> little while. I'll try to submit something before starting work on 0.4.0 
> >> enhancements.
> > 
> > I WANT TABS!!
> 
> Well if tabs get in, I'll throw mrxvt out of the window (or out of the 
> X-Window?).
> 

I just don't get it.  What's wrong with rxvt?  I've been using it for years as 
my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it isn't the default.  I 
tried mintty the other day but couldn't find anything rxvt isn't doing.  In 
fact, mintty kind of froze on something eventually - at which point I decided 
to give up on it.  So why should I use mintty?

Michael


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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Michael Lemke wrote:
> I just don't get it. What's wrong with rxvt? I've been using it for 
> years as my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it isn't 
> the default. 
While I agree, rxvt does have problems with programs written for the DOS 
style console output (e.g. cleartool from IBM/Rational Clearcase and 
others). Besides isn't it written somewhere that true Unix defaults must 
be ugly and brain dead? 1/2 ;-)
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:21:42PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Michael Lemke wrote:
>> I just don't get it. What's wrong with rxvt? I've been using it for years 
>> as my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it isn't the 
>> default. 
> While I agree, rxvt does have problems with programs written for the DOS 
> style console output (e.g. cleartool from IBM/Rational Clearcase and 
> others).

...and if you were paying attention you'd know that MinTTY is going to have
the same problems...

cgf

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:21:42PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> Michael Lemke wrote:
>>> I just don't get it. What's wrong with rxvt? I've been using it for 
>>> years as my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it 
>>> isn't the default.
>> While I agree, rxvt does have problems with programs written for the 
>> DOS style console output (e.g. cleartool from IBM/Rational Clearcase 
>> and others).
> ...and if you were paying attention you'd know that MinTTY is going to 
> have the same problems...
And I was paying attention to which I'd add: MinTTY also probably won't 
become Cygwin's default!
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:35:44AM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:21:42PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> Michael Lemke wrote:
>>>> I just don't get it. What's wrong with rxvt? I've been using it for 
>>>> years as my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it isn't 
>>>> the default.
>>> While I agree, rxvt does have problems with programs written for the DOS 
>>> style console output (e.g. cleartool from IBM/Rational Clearcase and 
>>> others).
>>
>>...and if you were paying attention you'd know that MinTTY is going to
>>have the same problems...
>
>And I was paying attention to which I'd add: MinTTY also probably won't
>become Cygwin's default!

This is YA point that has already been made.  You are not adding anything
new here.

cgf

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> This is YA point that has already been made. You are not adding 
> anything new here.
I'm not sure that a "YA" is - the closest I see is Yaakov but he didn't 
say anything about this AFAICT. In any event I feel I am adding 
something, which was a reason why both of these alternate terminals are 
not the default for Cygwin. If you disagree with me then feel free to 
ignore what I say...
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:40:35PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>This is YA point that has already been made.  You are not adding
>>anything new here.
>
>I'm not sure that a "YA" is - the closest I see is Yaakov but he didn't
>say anything about this AFAICT.  In any event I feel I am adding
>something, which was a reason why both of these alternate terminals are
>not the default for Cygwin.  If you disagree with me then feel free to
>ignore what I say...

<http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#YA>YA</a> means "Y"et "A"nother.

As I said, the point has been made.  If you think I want to disagree
with it, you've proved my original assertion that you aren't paying
attention since I was the person who made the point.

cgf

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:40:35PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>> This is YA point that has already been made. You are not adding 
>>> anything new here.
>> I'm not sure that a "YA" is - the closest I see is Yaakov but he 
>> didn't say anything about this AFAICT. In any event I feel I am 
>> adding something, which was a reason why both of these alternate 
>> terminals are
>> not the default for Cygwin. If you disagree with me then feel free to 
>> ignore what I say...
> <http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#YA>YA</a> means "Y"et "A"nother.
>
> As I said, the point has been made. If you think I want to disagree 
> with it, you've proved my original assertion that you aren't paying 
> attention since I was the person who made the point.
Seems to me you're just being pedantic and obtuse and there's no reason 
for me to go there. Have fun there by yourself.

Out of here...
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>Out of here...

If only that was really true.

cgf

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[newsletter]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>   
>> Out of here...
>>     
>
> If only that was really true.
>
> cgf
mmmmmmm
<start soapbox>
Linux is about choice and not being forced to use a limited set of 
tools. If rxvt works for you than that's fine - use it. don't knock the 
alternatives.
personally I like mintty and it has become my terminal of choice - even 
replacing the windows command prompt. the lack of tabs is no problem.
It is small fast (loading and usage) and simple. I don't think it needs 
a lot of extra's that a lot of software seems to come with these days
<end soapbox>

keep up the good work!!

Stephen

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Lee D. Rothstein]

newsletter wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>  
>>> Out of here...
>>>     
>>
>> If only that was really true.
>>
>> cgf
> mmmmmmm
> <start soapbox>
> Linux is about choice and not being forced to use a limited set of 
> tools. If rxvt works for you than that's fine - use it. don't knock 
> the alternatives.
> personally I like mintty and it has become my terminal of choice - 
> even replacing the windows command prompt. the lack of tabs is no 
> problem.
> It is small fast (loading and usage) and simple. I don't think it 
> needs a lot of extra's that a lot of software seems to come with these 
> days
> <end soapbox>
>
> keep up the good work!!
Amen to every point.

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[bjoe]

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 03:36:45PM +1300, newsletter wrote:
> <start soapbox>
> Linux is about choice and not being forced to use a limited set of 
> tools. If rxvt works for you than that's fine - use it. don't knock the 
> alternatives.
Agree 
> personally I like mintty and it has become my terminal of choice - even 
> replacing the windows command prompt. the lack of tabs is no problem.
> It is small fast (loading and usage) and simple. I don't think it needs 
> a lot of extra's that a lot of software seems to come with these days
> <end soapbox>
What I found missing in Mintty is putty feature to start duplicate
session (more welcome with hot-keys), moreover it will replace 
Mintty lack of tabs problems IMHO. 
> 
> keep up the good work!!
Yup
> 
> Stephen
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andy Koppe]

> What I found missing in Mintty is putty feature to start duplicate
> session (more welcome with hot-keys)

Since MinTTY doesn't have sessions like Putty, I didn't think there
was much point in keeping this.
Desktop and quickstart shortcuts already provide quick ways to open a
new MinTTY window, and as discussed on a separate thread here you can
assign hotkeys to Windows shortcuts.

> moreover it will replace
> Mintty lack of tabs problems IMHO.

That's not MinTTY's problem, it's Windows'! ;)

>> keep up the good work!!
> Yup

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[bjoe]

On Sun, Mar 08, 2009 at 09:37:03PM +0000, Andy Koppe wrote:
> > What I found missing in Mintty is putty feature to start duplicate
> > session (more welcome with hot-keys)
> 
> Since MinTTY doesn't have sessions like Putty, I didn't think there
> was much point in keeping this.

It's because you remove networking function from putty, right. IMHO
this feature will help many user (especially who come from Windows
word) and will give sort of additional point for Mintty (regarding
flame war between mintty and rxvt).
I don't know the relationship between networking function in Putty with
duplicate session feature in code point of view, but since this based
on putty code I hope this will not give some sort of difficulty to
adopt this feature in mintty.
 
> Desktop and quickstart shortcuts already provide quick ways to open a
> new MinTTY window, and as discussed on a separate thread here you can
> assign hotkeys to Windows shortcuts.
> 

I run Cygwin from portable media in different PC so Desktop and
quickstart shortcut not an options in My case.

> > moreover it will replace
> > Mintty lack of tabs problems IMHO.
> 
> That's not MinTTY's problem, it's Windows'! ;)
> 
> >> keep up the good work!!
> > Yup
> 
> Thanks,
> Andy

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Charles Wilson]

bjoe wrote:

> It's because you remove networking function from putty, right. IMHO
> this feature will help many user (especially who come from Windows
> word) and will give sort of additional point for Mintty (regarding
> flame war between mintty and rxvt).

What flame war?  If you like mintty, use it.  More power to you.  If you
like rxvt, use that.  Or use both, as the mood strikes you -- that's
what I do.  That's the point of free software...you're free to use
whatever you want.

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[bjoe]

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 01:46:23PM -0400, Charles Wilson wrote:
> bjoe wrote:
> 
> > It's because you remove networking function from putty, right. IMHO
> > this feature will help many user (especially who come from Windows
> > word) and will give sort of additional point for Mintty (regarding
> > flame war between mintty and rxvt).
> 
> What flame war?  If you like mintty, use it.  More power to you.  If you
> like rxvt, use that.  Or use both, as the mood strikes you -- that's
> what I do.  That's the point of free software...you're free to use
> whatever you want.
> 

We can not avoid the fact that someone in this list making thread
about Mintty vs Rxvt, but I totally agree with you and my position is
clear about that as I write before.

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RE: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> From: Christopher Faylor
> 
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> >Out of here...
> 
> If only that was really true.
> 
> cgf

I thought there was a specific mailing list where such
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I must have been misled.

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 09:00:06PM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>> From: Christopher Faylor
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>> >Out of here...
>> 
>> If only that was really true.
>
>I thought there was a specific mailing list where such
>Cygwin-related-content-free urinating contests were more appropriately
>held.  I must have been misled.

I think your confusion is pretty well documented by now.

I can only speculate on your lack of embarrassment about the frequent
public displays of confusion however.

cgf

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RE: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> From:  Christopher Faylor
> 
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 09:00:06PM -0600, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> >> From: Christopher Faylor
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> >> >Out of here...
> >> 
> >> If only that was really true.
> >
> >I thought there was a specific mailing list where such 
> >Cygwin-related-content-free urinating contests were more 
> appropriately 
> >held.  I must have been misled.
> 
> I think your confusion is pretty well documented by now.
> 
> I can only speculate on your lack of embarrassment about the 
> frequent public displays of confusion however.
> 
> cgf
> 

Should you wish to continue the aforementioned contest and/or send more
silly passive-aggressive insults my way, please do so on the cygwin-talk@
list.  For your convenience, and for the benefit of the readers of the
cygwin@ list, I have set followups accordingly.

Thank you for your cooperation in keeping the cygwin@ list a place where
Cygwin-related issues can be discussed with a minimum of topic-free
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andy Koppe]

Michael Lemke wrote:
> I just don't get it.  What's wrong with rxvt?  I've been using it for years as 
> my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it isn't the default.  I 
> tried mintty the other day but couldn't find anything rxvt isn't doing.

MinTTY's main distinctions compared to rxvt are its native Windows look 
and feel and the options dialog (which among other things allows you to 
  configure it in an Xish way).

Now of course both those things are a matter of personal preference and 
experience, and if you have rxvt looking and working the way you want it 
to, they obviously won't be able to tempt you over. My main aim with 
MinTTY is to help integrate Cygwin better into its Windows environment 
and thus make it more approachable both for Windows users as well as for 
Linux/Unix users who are accustomed to terminals like KDE's Konsole or 
gnome-terminal.

There are a few more advantages/differences though:
- Drag&drop and copy&paste of files and folders into the MinTTY window 
(as first seen in Konsole).
- xterm-compatible encoding of modifier keys.
- Unicode support. (Of course there's rxvt-unicode, but that needs X.)
- Midnight Commander displays correctly.
- MinTTY is smaller and faster. (Does that matter? Probably not.)

And just a little helping of eye candy:
- Window transparency (which can be disabled when the window is active).
- Fullscreen mode.

> In fact, mintty kind of froze on something eventually

Any details you might remember would be much appreciated in the 
interests of bug fixing.

Andy


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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Andy Koppe wrote:
> Michael Lemke wrote:
>> I just don't get it.  What's wrong with rxvt?  I've been using it for 
>> years as my only terminal for cygwin and never understood why it 
>> isn't the default.  I tried mintty the other day but couldn't find 
>> anything rxvt isn't doing.
> MinTTY's main distinctions compared to rxvt are its native Windows 
> look and feel 
What is the native Windows look and feel other than the Window frame? 
Doesn't rxvt have the same window frame as any other window you have 
running under Windows already? (For comparison sake, let's assume both 
rxvt and MinTTy have a basic black & white color scheme).
> and the options dialog (which among other things allows you to 
>  configure it in an Xish way).
What could be more Xish then X Resources, which rxvt pays total 
attention to?
> And just a little helping of eye candy:
> - Window transparency (which can be disabled when the window is active).
There's transparency with rxvt too. Try -ip.
> - Fullscreen mode.
My rxvt maximizes. What you mean there's still a window frame? Doesn't 
bother me. And the amount of times when I really want to waste all of my 
screen real estate on one window can be counted on one hand...
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andy Koppe]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:

> What is the native Windows look and feel other than the Window frame? 

- scrollbar
- right-click menu (also reachable via menu key)
- options dialog, with font and colour selectors
- copy&paste behaviour (copy-on-demand, Ctrl-Ins copies, shift-left 
click extends)
- drag&drop

>> and the options dialog (which among other things allows you to 
>>  configure it in an Xish way).
> What could be more Xish then X Resources, which rxvt pays total 
> attention to?

That point wasn't about rxvt. I was just saying that you're not
stuck with Windows-style behaviour in MinTTY. (Btw, the options dialog
isn't compulsory either; MinTTY can be configured via .minttyrc, 
although that's in need of documentation.)

>> And just a little helping of eye candy:
>> - Window transparency (which can be disabled when the window is active).
> There's transparency with rxvt too. Try -ip.

 From the manpage:
   -ip|+ip Turn on/off inheriting parent window's pixmap.
           Alternative is -tr; resource inheritPixmap.

Now I don't really understand what that's supposed to mean, but I'm 
pretty sure it's not proper alpha blending. In any case, all that option 
achieves on my Vista machine is to make window moves and resizes very slow.

>> - Fullscreen mode.
> My rxvt maximizes. What you mean there's still a window frame? Doesn't 
> bother me. And the amount of times when I really want to waste all of my 
> screen real estate on one window can be counted on one hand...

Different people, different preferences. MinTTY inherited that feature 
from PuTTY, and I didn't see any reason to remove it. Actually I rather 
like fullscreen mode, not so much for the extra space as for the removal 
of any visual distractions.

Andy


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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andrew DeFaria]

Andy Koppe wrote:
> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>> What is the native Windows look and feel other than the Window frame? 
> - scrollbar
> - right-click menu (also reachable via menu key)
> - options dialog, with font and colour selectors
> - copy&paste behaviour (copy-on-demand, Ctrl-Ins copies, shift-left 
> click extends)
> - drag&drop
OK. None of this is particularly important... to me..
>>> and the options dialog (which among other things allows you to 
>>>  configure it in an Xish way).
>> What could be more Xish then X Resources, which rxvt pays total 
>> attention to?
> That point wasn't about rxvt. I was just saying that you're not stuck 
> with Windows-style behaviour in MinTTY. (Btw, the options dialog isn't 
> compulsory either; MinTTY can be configured via .minttyrc, although 
> that's in need of documentation.)
My point is that rxvt pays attention to .Xdefaults which is very Xish IMHO.
>>> And just a little helping of eye candy: - Window transparency (which 
>>> can be disabled when the window is active).
>> There's transparency with rxvt too. Try -ip.
> From the manpage:
>   -ip|+ip Turn on/off inheriting parent window's pixmap.
>           Alternative is -tr; resource inheritPixmap.
>
> Now I don't really understand what that's supposed to mean, but I'm 
> pretty sure it's not proper alpha blending. In any case, all that 
> option achieves on my Vista machine is to make window moves and 
> resizes very slow.
Oh I didn't say it was the best thing since sliced bread, just that rxvt 
does transparency of a sort too.
>>> - Fullscreen mode.
>> My rxvt maximizes. What you mean there's still a window frame? 
>> Doesn't bother me. And the amount of times when I really want to 
>> waste all of my screen real estate on one window can be counted on 
>> one hand...
> Different people, different preferences. MinTTY inherited that feature 
> from PuTTY, and I didn't see any reason to remove it. Actually I 
> rather like fullscreen mode, not so much for the extra space as for 
> the removal of any visual distractions.
Indeed, different strokes for different folks.
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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Matt Wozniski]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Andy Koppe wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>> Andy Koppe wrote:
>>>> and the options dialog (which among other things allows you to
>>>>  configure it in an Xish way).
>>>
>>> What could be more Xish then X Resources, which rxvt pays total attention
>>> to?
>>
>> That point wasn't about rxvt. I was just saying that you're not stuck with
>> Windows-style behaviour in MinTTY.
>
> My point is that rxvt pays attention to .Xdefaults which is very Xish IMHO.

What you seem to have misunderstood is that when Andy said "configure
it in an x-ish way", he didn't mean "configure it with x resources
like some x applications", he meant "configure it to behave like most
x terminal emulators wrt selection, copying, pasting, etc".

~Matt

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[Andy Koppe]

Danilo Turina wrote:
> Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>> I WANT TABS!!
> 
> Well if tabs get in, I'll throw mrxvt out of the window (or out of the 
> X-Window?).

Sorry guys, I'm afraid there's no chance of me implementing those. See 
http://code.google.com/p/mintty/issues/detail?id=8

I think something like WinTabber, which is a container app that can 
aggregate any related windows, is a much better approach to tabbing than 
implementing it separately in each app. Shame it's not Free.

Andy

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Re: MinTTY 0.3.3

[KHMan]

Andy Koppe wrote:
> Danilo Turina wrote:
>> Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>>> I WANT TABS!!
>>
>> Well if tabs get in, I'll throw mrxvt out of the window (or out of the 
>> X-Window?).
> 
> Sorry guys, I'm afraid there's no chance of me implementing those. See 
> http://code.google.com/p/mintty/issues/detail?id=8
> 
> I think something like WinTabber, which is a container app that can 
> aggregate any related windows, is a much better approach to tabbing than 
> implementing it separately in each app. Shame it's not Free.

I guess it's down to someone needing to do the cold-blooded task 
of implementation. :-)

Personally, I found navigation using VirtuaWin nicer than 
WinTabber, and it's GPL. One can get to any app in the current 
virtual screen using one mouse click, with grouping of course 
turned off. I would have spoken out in favour of tabs too, but 
VirtuaWin, for the most part, works well enough for me to negate 
that need.

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