RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Robinow, David]

> From: Craveiro, Marco [mailto:Marco.Craveiro@solvay.com]
> Subject: RE: Cygwin newbie needs help
> huh people, maybe i'm really confused here... but i think 
> Joshua wants a build of xemacs that allows him to redirect
> the display to another xserver. am i wrong in saying that,
> if at all possible, you need to build it yourself to get
> it to compile using cygwin's xfree libs? 
  Unless one wants an ancient version compiled for cygwin B20.1,  you are
correct.

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Robinow, David wrote:

     > > From: Craveiro, Marco [mailto:Marco.Craveiro@solvay.com]
     > > Subject: RE: Cygwin newbie needs help
     > > huh people, maybe i'm really confused here... but i think
     > > Joshua wants a build of xemacs that allows him to redirect
     > > the display to another xserver. am i wrong in saying that,
     > > if at all possible, you need to build it yourself to get
     > > it to compile using cygwin's xfree libs?
     >   Unless one wants an ancient version compiled for cygwin B20.1,  you are
     > correct.


Sorry, didn't know that :O

So can I make ssh to my winbox (having both client and server
configuration set to enable X forwarding) and execute cmd.exe and get the
window in my winbox/linbox or not?

thx,
m4c.


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[B. Joshua Rosen]

On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 11:56, Robinow, David wrote:
> > From: Craveiro, Marco [mailto:Marco.Craveiro@solvay.com]
> > Subject: RE: Cygwin newbie needs help
> > huh people, maybe i'm really confused here... but i think 
> > Joshua wants a build of xemacs that allows him to redirect
> > the display to another xserver. am i wrong in saying that,
> > if at all possible, you need to build it yourself to get
> > it to compile using cygwin's xfree libs? 
>   Unless one wants an ancient version compiled for cygwin B20.1,  you are
> correct.
> 
> --
> Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
> Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
> FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
> 

Your right, I want a version of Xemacs that allows me to redirect the
display to another box (in my case a Redhat system). The prebuilt
version that I installed was the CYgwin version. I don't have any way of
knowing if it was built with X support built in. The default for Xemacs
is to support X but there is a switch to build a non-X version so it's
possible that the Cygwin version was built with the no-X option set. 

I've been trying to build it myself but the libXpm.dll is missing. I
downloaded the sources from xemacs.org bu the Makefile seems to be set
up to build a non-X version. 

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Charles Wilson]

News from XEmacs land:

1) there are two "windows" ports of XEmacs: a fully native port, and a 
cygwin port.

2) Both of these ports use so-called "native windowing": that is, they 
use MSWindows GDI calls to paint their display.  Neither port uses X; 
they cannot be redirected (graphically) thru the network to display 
remotely.

3) If you want that capability, you can only do so with the cygwin build 
-- but you'll have to build it yourself.  Also, the 
cygwin-with-X-windowing build has not been widely used (or tested).  It 
may have suffered bitrot.

4) I *believe* that both the native port and the cygwin port support the 
'-nw' flag, which allows you to use XEmacs in a tty.  Therefore, it is 
probably possible, with the prebuilt native or cygwin versions of 
xemacs, to ssh in to your windows box, and use 'xemacs -nw' to edit 
files.  (Of course, you need a working cygwin ssh daemon running on your 
windows box, but that's a whole 'nother topic.)

--Chuck


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Andrew Markebo]

| So can I make ssh to my winbox (having both client and server
| configuration set to enable X forwarding) and execute cmd.exe and get the
| window in my winbox/linbox or not?

Well if you run this cmd in an xterm, or x-based rxvt that is fired up
and shows nicely on the other machine.

        /Andy

-- 
 The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[B. Joshua Rosen]

On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 13:58, Andrew Markebo wrote:
> | So can I make ssh to my winbox (having both client and server
> | configuration set to enable X forwarding) and execute cmd.exe and get the
> | window in my winbox/linbox or not?
> 
> Well if you run this cmd in an xterm, or x-based rxvt that is fired up
> and shows nicely on the other machine.
> 
>         /Andy
> 
> -- 
>  The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!
> 
> --
> Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
> Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
> Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
> FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
> 

xterm worked fine so the problem is definitely with Xemacs.



--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Andrew Markebo]

| xterm worked fine so the problem is definitely with Xemacs.

Question still remains, is it Xemacs compiled with X11 support?? Do
you have libX11&co on the cygwin machine?

        /Andy

-- 
 The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 03:10 PM 4/24/2002, Andrew Markebo wrote:

>| xterm worked fine so the problem is definitely with Xemacs.
>
>Question still remains, is it Xemacs compiled with X11 support?? Do
>you have libX11&co on the cygwin machine?


I thought Chuck answered this question already.  Did I miss something?



Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Andrew Markebo]

/ "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" <lhall@rfk.com> wrote:
| At 03:10 PM 4/24/2002, Andrew Markebo wrote:
| 
| >| xterm worked fine so the problem is definitely with Xemacs.
| >
| >Question still remains, is it Xemacs compiled with X11 support?? Do
| >you have libX11&co on the cygwin machine?
| 
| I thought Chuck answered this question already.  Did I miss something?

Oops sorry, it was me who missed something! I read the complete thread
now..

Hmm a hint to the original author might be to give VNC a try, he can
get his windows desktop to show up on his Redhat machine.

        /Andy

-- 
 The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[B. Joshua Rosen]

On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 15:45, Andrew Markebo wrote:
> | 
> | I am using VNC, thats what I want to get away from. The performance of
> | VNC is awful. I'll be forced to use it for true Windoze stuff but for
> | Cygwin I want to use X-fowarding. Once I get Xemacs compiled properly
> | I'll be happy.
> 
> Okeee :-) Hmm checked tridia vnc?? Or the alternative encodings? I
> have been using VNC on our lan to manage a bunch of computers.
> 
> How is the xemacs compilation going?
> 
> -- 
>  The eye of the beholder rests on the beauty!

OK I've got Xemacs working properly. I couldn't get the current stable
release to configure properly (21.1.14) but the latest beta 21.5.6
configured and compiled with no problem.



--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Dr. Volker Zell]

>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Wilson <cwilson@ece.gatech.edu> writes:

    Charles> News from XEmacs land:
    Charles> 1) there are two "windows" ports of XEmacs: a fully native port, and a
    Charles> cygwin port.

    Charles> 2) Both of these ports use so-called "native windowing": that is, they
    Charles> use MSWindows GDI calls to paint their display.  Neither port uses X;
    Charles> they cannot be redirected (graphically) thru the network to display
    Charles> remotely.

    Charles> 3) If you want that capability, you can only do so with the cygwin
    Charles> build -- but you'll have to build it yourself.  Also, the
    Charles> cygwin-with-X-windowing build has not been widely used (or tested).
    Charles> It may have suffered bitrot.

I build it regularly since the legendary coolview days. Works perfect nowadays.

    Charles> 4) I *believe* that both the native port and the cygwin port support
    Charles> the '-nw' flag, which allows you to use XEmacs in a tty.  Therefore,
    Charles> it is probably possible, with the prebuilt native or cygwin versions
    Charles> of xemacs, to ssh in to your windows box, and use 'xemacs -nw' to edit
    Charles> files.  (Of course, you need a working cygwin ssh daemon running on
    Charles> your windows box, but that's a whole 'nother topic.)

    Charles> --Chuck

Ciao
  Volker


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

I think you're right but that's more a question for the XEmacs people, which
I'm not. ;-)  I was merely responding to Marcos comment that XEmacs could
be downloaded.  While he's right, I wanted to make sure that people realize
that downloading the Cygwin version of XEmacs is preferable when Cygwin 
tools are in use.  It prevents allot questions and headaches.  Sorry if this
information seems off-topic for this thread.

Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX


At 11:49 AM 4/24/2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote:
>huh people, maybe i'm really confused here... but i think Joshua wants a
>build of xemacs
>that allows him to redirect the display to another xserver. am i wrong in
>saying that, if at all possible, you need to build it yourself to get it to
>compile using cygwin's xfree libs? 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [SMTP:lhall@rfk.com]
> > Sent: 24 April 2002 08:43
> > To:   Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago; Craveiro, Marco
> > Cc:   'B. Joshua Rosen'; cygwin@cygwin.com
> > Subject:      RE: Cygwin newbie needs help
> > 
> > At 11:13 AM 4/24/2002, Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago wrote:
> > >On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote:
> > >
> > >      > hiyah Joshua,
> > >      >
> > >      > I think I can help you with 1) and 2)...
> > >      >
> > >      >  1) How do I get X forwarding to work?
> > >      >
> > >      > X forwarding should work just fine for me (both from and to
> > windows),
> > >      > setting the display and enabling all hosts on the server is all
> > i've done
> > >      > and it works. but I don't think you will be able to build xemacs
> > with x
> > >      > support on windows; at least you cant do that with gnu emacs
> > IIRC. at any
> > >
> > >There's no need to build xemacs for windows! You con download it from
> > >their homepage for win32! :)
> > 
> > 
> > Pick "Cygwin" for the "Installation Type" when running setup from 
> > www.xemacs.org.  This will get you a Cygwin-compatible version of 
> > XEmacs, which will understand Cygwin mounts, symlinks, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
> > RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
> > 838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
> > Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Craveiro, Marco]

huh people, maybe i'm really confused here... but i think Joshua wants a
build of xemacs
that allows him to redirect the display to another xserver. am i wrong in
saying that, if at all possible, you need to build it yourself to get it to
compile using cygwin's xfree libs? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc) [SMTP:lhall@rfk.com]
> Sent:	24 April 2002 08:43
> To:	Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago; Craveiro, Marco
> Cc:	'B. Joshua Rosen'; cygwin@cygwin.com
> Subject:	RE: Cygwin newbie needs help
> 
> At 11:13 AM 4/24/2002, Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago wrote:
> >On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote:
> >
> >      > hiyah Joshua,
> >      >
> >      > I think I can help you with 1) and 2)...
> >      >
> >      >  1) How do I get X forwarding to work?
> >      >
> >      > X forwarding should work just fine for me (both from and to
> windows),
> >      > setting the display and enabling all hosts on the server is all
> i've done
> >      > and it works. but I don't think you will be able to build xemacs
> with x
> >      > support on windows; at least you cant do that with gnu emacs
> IIRC. at any
> >
> >There's no need to build xemacs for windows! You con download it from
> >their homepage for win32! :)
> 
> 
> Pick "Cygwin" for the "Installation Type" when running setup from 
> www.xemacs.org.  This will get you a Cygwin-compatible version of 
> XEmacs, which will understand Cygwin mounts, symlinks, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
> RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
> 838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
> Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX

--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)]

At 11:13 AM 4/24/2002, Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote:
>
>      > hiyah Joshua,
>      >
>      > I think I can help you with 1) and 2)...
>      >
>      >  1) How do I get X forwarding to work?
>      >
>      > X forwarding should work just fine for me (both from and to windows),
>      > setting the display and enabling all hosts on the server is all i've done
>      > and it works. but I don't think you will be able to build xemacs with x
>      > support on windows; at least you cant do that with gnu emacs IIRC. at any
>
>There's no need to build xemacs for windows! You con download it from
>their homepage for win32! :)


Pick "Cygwin" for the "Installation Type" when running setup from 
www.xemacs.org.  This will get you a Cygwin-compatible version of 
XEmacs, which will understand Cygwin mounts, symlinks, etc.



Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
838 Washington Street                   (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office
Holliston, MA 01746                     (508) 893-9889 - FAX


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Marcos Lorenzo de Santiago]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Craveiro, Marco wrote:

     > hiyah Joshua,
     >
     > I think I can help you with 1) and 2)...
     >
     > 	1) How do I get X forwarding to work?
     >
     > X forwarding should work just fine for me (both from and to windows),
     > setting the display and enabling all hosts on the server is all i've done
     > and it works. but I don't think you will be able to build xemacs with x
     > support on windows; at least you cant do that with gnu emacs IIRC. at any

There's no need to build xemacs for windows! You con download it from
their homepage for win32! :)


m4c.


--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

RE: Cygwin newbie needs help

[Craveiro, Marco]

hiyah Joshua,

I think I can help you with 1) and 2)...

	1) How do I get X forwarding to work? 

X forwarding should work just fine for me (both from and to windows),
setting the display and enabling all hosts on the server is all i've done
and it works. but I don't think you will be able to build xemacs with x
support on windows; at least you cant do that with gnu emacs IIRC. at any
rate try the xfree-cygwin mailing list.

	2) Is there a way to rlogin or ssh into the Win2K box? 

	make a search on the mailinglist on how to start the ssh daemon. it
works fine, we have it here at the office. 

	all&all, make a search on the archives; i found that 90% of the my
questions have been asked before...

	hope it helps.

	marco



--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/

Cygwin newbie needs help

[B. Joshua Rosen]

I've installed Cygwin on a freshly built Win2K Pro system. I installed
everything including Xfree86, I've also installed Xemacs. I have a few
basic questions to get me started. My operating environment is as
follows, my workstation is a Redhat 7.2 box, the Win2K box is in another
room. I want to be able to work on the Win2K box remotely. Currently I'm
using VNC but I'm not happy with that solution because VNC is dog slow,
I get better performance over a dialup line with SSH then I do with VNC
over my LAN. So here are a few questions 

1) How do I get X forwarding to work? I've tried the usual, i.e. 

setenv DISPLAY remotemachine:0.0 

but that didn't work. When I launched Xemacs it opened up on the local
machine instead of the remote machine. 

2) Is there a way to rlogin or ssh into the Win2K box? 

3) How do I get cygwin to automatically use tcsh instead of bash? I
edited /etc/passwd but that didn't seem to work. 

4) Is there a way to configure VNC so that it's performance is
adequate?, any suggestions in this area would also be appreciated. 

Thanks 



--
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Bug reporting:         http://cygwin.com/bugs.html
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/