RE: vi and cygwin

RE: vi and cygwin

[DePriest, Jason R.]

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but try this command-line
option with vim.

-+- man vim -+-

-C          Compatible.  Set the 'compatible' option.  This  will  make
                   Vim  behave  mostly  like  Vi,  even  though  a
.vimrc file
                   exists.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cygwin-owner at cygwin dot com 
> [mailto: cygwin-owner at cygwin dot com] On Behalf Of Totte Karlsson
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 4:39 PM
> To: cygwin at cygwin dot com
> Subject: Re: vi and cygwin
> 
> 
> yeah, I know about the "standard method" but could not find 
> vi there, only
> vim. So one should use vim? There is no "pure" vi?
> -totte
> 
> "Brian Dessent" <brian at dessent dot net> wrote in message
> news: 40368B56.4ABE506D at dessent dot net...
> > Totte Karlsson wrote:
> >
> > > How do I get vi working under cygwin? Is it available?
> >
> > Install the vim package, using setup.exe.  That is the 
> standard method
> > for isntalling all Cygwin packages.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> 
> 


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Re: vi and cygwin

[Totte Karlsson]

my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and about
it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available and
it seems not to be...
thanks though
/totte

"DePriest, Jason R." <jrdepriest@ftb.com> wrote in message
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Not sure what you are trying to accomplish, but try this command-line
option with vim.

-+- man vim -+-

-C          Compatible.  Set the 'compatible' option.  This  will  make
                   Vim  behave  mostly  like  Vi,  even  though  a
.vimrc file
                   exists.





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Re: vi and cygwin

[Brian Dessent]

Totte Karlsson wrote:
> 
> my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and about
> it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available and
> it seems not to be...

Then the answer is no.  What you see with setup.exe is what you get. 
(WYSWSIWYG?)  Someone out there at some point in time might have ported
"pure" vi to compile with Cygwin but if so it's not an official package
and therefore you'd have to find/ask that person about it, not this
list.

Brian

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Re: vi and cygwin

[Alejandro Lopez-Valencia]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:20:00 -0800, Brian Dessent wrote in
<40369620.D3D58802@dessent.net>:

>Totte Karlsson wrote:
>> 
>> my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and about
>> it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available and
>> it seems not to be...
>
>Then the answer is no.  What you see with setup.exe is what you get. 
>(WYSWSIWYG?)  Someone out there at some point in time might have ported
>"pure" vi to compile with Cygwin but if so it's not an official package
>and therefore you'd have to find/ask that person about it, not this
>list.

Wrong. The answer is yes. Go to http://ex-vi.berlios.de/, download a
copy of BSD licensed Unix 7 ex sourcecode, do a couple of trivial
modifications and you are in business.

Now, why is not ITP'ed by yours truly? Because the maintainer doesn't
want it ported to Windows, that's why. I may find he is a pompous
cuadruped arse when it comes to his people skills, but I do agree with
95% of the reasons he has not to want such port; so, you are on your
own, unless someone else with less sensitivity steps in and packages
it..



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Re: vi and cygwin

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Alejandro Lopez-Valencia wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:20:00 -0800, Brian Dessent wrote:
>
> >Totte Karlsson wrote:
> >>
> >> my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and about
> >> it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available and
> >> it seems not to be...
> >
> >Then the answer is no.  What you see with setup.exe is what you get.
> >(WYSWSIWYG?)  Someone out there at some point in time might have ported
> >"pure" vi to compile with Cygwin but if so it's not an official package
> >and therefore you'd have to find/ask that person about it, not this
> >list.
>
> Wrong.

AFAIU, the question was whether pure 'vi' was available *as a Cygwin
package*.  The answer is "no".  Brian is totally correct.

> The answer is yes. Go to http://ex-vi.berlios.de/, download a
> copy of BSD licensed Unix 7 ex sourcecode, do a couple of trivial
> modifications and you are in business.

This is not a Cygwin package.

> Now, why is not ITP'ed by yours truly? Because the maintainer doesn't
> want it ported to Windows, that's why.

FWIW, I couldn't find anything on the above web page about this.
However, I do recall some discussion on this mailing list a year or so
ago) about some piece of software or another (possibly even by the same
author) that wasn't available for the same reason.  The decision was to
forget it (of course).  Perhaps someone else can help unearth the pointers
to the actual threads (ah, after I typed the above, a Google search for
"gunnar ritter Cygwin" showed that this was about "nail", by the same
author, and happened almost exactly a year ago).

> I may find he is a pompous cuadruped arse when it comes to his people
> skills, but I do agree with 95% of the reasons he has not to want such
> port; so, you are on your own, unless someone else with less sensitivity
> steps in and packages it..

We can't go against the wishes of the original author (especially if those
wishes are part of the license).  Furthermore, no upstream patches will be
accepted for such a project, so maintaining a Cygwin version may (and
probably will) turn out to be a nightmare.  I pity the foolhardy soul who
decides to take it on.
	Igor
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RE: vi and cygwin

[Alejandro Lopez-Valencia]

Igor Pechtchanski scribbled on Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:13 AM:

Please don't CC me on mailing list traffic,

Thanks and cheers

Alejo


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RE: vi and cygwin

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Alejandro Lopez-Valencia wrote:

> Igor Pechtchanski scribbled on Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:13 AM:
>
> Please don't CC me on mailing list traffic,
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, I didn't say *that*!  You did. :-)

> Thanks and cheers
> Alejo

Actually, this happens automatically when "Reply-all" is used in my
mailer, pine (I had to explicitly remove you from the recipient list on
this message).  If you don't wish this to happen, please set "Reply-To:"
appropriately (like I do).  Alternatively, there's a "cygwin-replyto" list
that you can subscribe to that will do it for you (see, for example,
<http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2004-01/msg01203.html>).
	Igor
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Re: vi and cygwin

[Thorsten Kampe]

* Totte Karlsson (2004-02-20 23:49 +0100)
> my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and about
> it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available and
> it seems not to be...

If you knew vim you knew that it has a vi compatibility mode - vim can
emulate vi perfectly.

Thorsten


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Re: vi and cygwin

[Totte Karlsson]

does not mean that vim is vi! Read my question!


"Thorsten Kampe" <thorsten@thorstenkampe.de> wrote in message
news:qn16hsj6zk05.dlg@thorstenkampe.de...
> * Totte Karlsson (2004-02-20 23:49 +0100)
> > my question was if vi is available under cygwin. I know about vim and
about
> > it's compatible option. Just curious if there is a "pure" vi available
and
> > it seems not to be...
>
> If you knew vim you knew that it has a vi compatibility mode - vim can
> emulate vi perfectly.
>
> Thorsten
>
>




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Re: vi and cygwin

[Thorsten Kampe]

* Totte Karlsson (2004-02-21 02:25 +0100)
> does not mean that vim is vi! Read my question!

Read my answer: vim behaves like vi, it is called with "vi" in the
shell and therefor it /is/ vi (http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/call-it-a-duck.html).

The original vi is not free software so you will hardly find it on any
Linux machine (same with ksh for example).

Thorsten


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Re: vi and cygwin

[James Hu]

On 2004-02-21, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * Totte Karlsson (2004-02-21 02:25 +0100)
>> does not mean that vim is vi! Read my question!
>
> The original vi is not free software so you will hardly find it on any
> Linux machine (same with ksh for example).

Not quite true.

http://ex-vi.berlios.de/

-- James


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Re: vi and cygwin

[Totte Karlsson]

OK, you are correct, vim is vi! ...it's just spelled different I guess..
....

"Thorsten Kampe" <thorsten@thorstenkampe.de> wrote in message
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> * Totte Karlsson (2004-02-21 02:25 +0100)
> > does not mean that vim is vi! Read my question!
>
> Read my answer: vim behaves like vi, it is called with "vi" in the
> shell and therefor it /is/ vi
(http://www.netbsd.org/Misc/call-it-a-duck.html).
>
> The original vi is not free software so you will hardly find it on any
> Linux machine (same with ksh for example).
>
> Thorsten
>
>




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vi and cygwin

[Totte Karlsson]

How do I get vi working under cygwin? Is it available?
/totte




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Re: vi and cygwin

[Brian Dessent]

Totte Karlsson wrote:

> How do I get vi working under cygwin? Is it available?

Install the vim package, using setup.exe.  That is the standard method
for isntalling all Cygwin packages.

Brian

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Re: vi and cygwin

[Totte Karlsson]

yeah, I know about the "standard method" but could not find vi there, only
vim. So one should use vim? There is no "pure" vi?
-totte

"Brian Dessent" <brian@dessent.net> wrote in message
news:40368B56.4ABE506D@dessent.net...
> Totte Karlsson wrote:
>
> > How do I get vi working under cygwin? Is it available?
>
> Install the vim package, using setup.exe.  That is the standard method
> for isntalling all Cygwin packages.
>
> Brian
>




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