* Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... @ 2017-06-12 21:31 Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-13 6:34 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-13 7:28 ` Václav Haisman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-12 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin I use latest Cygwin Emacs W32 under Windows 10 x64 and Emacs spawns external processes like hg/git when it open file. Sometimes it freezes and in procexp I see spawned Emacs fork. Usual build-in Emacs C-g key binding doesn't help much (it work with lots of key press and long delay). It is faster to find Emacs fork in procexp and kill it. I've read https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures and some suggestion to debug is: CYGWIN=detect_bloda How can I get messages from GUI program? Emacs W32 open conhost terminal buffer. Is that a place where I should expect warn message? What if problem occur in temporary spawned processes from Emacs? Do they attached to conhost terminal buffer? I have one BLODA, Windows Defender (win10 x64). How can I disable it? I see tricks like: Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 I have Home license and have no access to Group Policy editor... -- http://defun.work/ -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-12 21:31 Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-13 6:34 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-13 7:28 ` Václav Haisman 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-13 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2017-06-13, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: > I have one BLODA, Windows Defender (win10 x64). How can I disable it? I see > tricks like: > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] > "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 > "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 > I sill see "C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCuiL.exe" process. Don't know if any executable address space polluted with Windows Defender though. -- http://defun.work/ -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-12 21:31 Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-13 6:34 ` Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-13 7:28 ` Václav Haisman 2017-06-13 17:17 ` Brian Inglis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Václav Haisman @ 2017-06-13 7:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 12 June 2017 at 23:30, Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com> wrote: > I use latest Cygwin Emacs W32 under Windows 10 x64 and Emacs spawns external > processes like hg/git when it open file. > > Sometimes it freezes and in procexp I see spawned Emacs fork. > > Usual build-in Emacs C-g key binding doesn't help much (it work with lots of > key press and long delay). It is faster to find Emacs fork in procexp and kill > it. > > I've read > > https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures > > and some suggestion to debug is: > > CYGWIN=detect_bloda > > How can I get messages from GUI program? Emacs W32 open conhost terminal > buffer. Is that a place where I should expect warn message? > > What if problem occur in temporary spawned processes from Emacs? Do they > attached to conhost terminal buffer? > > I have one BLODA, Windows Defender (win10 x64). How can I disable it? I see > tricks like: > > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] > "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 > "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 > > I have Home license and have no access to Group Policy editor... > We do not use Windows Defender and I am seeing this occasionally as well. We use McAfee though. -- VH -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-13 7:28 ` Václav Haisman @ 2017-06-13 17:17 ` Brian Inglis 2017-06-15 6:49 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2017-06-13 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2017-06-13 01:28, Václav Haisman wrote: > On 12 June 2017 at 23:30, Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com> wrote: >> I use latest Cygwin Emacs W32 under Windows 10 x64 and Emacs spawns external >> processes like hg/git when it open file. >> Sometimes it freezes and in procexp I see spawned Emacs fork. >> Usual build-in Emacs C-g key binding doesn't help much (it work with lots of >> key press and long delay). It is faster to find Emacs fork in procexp and kill >> it. >> I've read >> https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-fork-failures >> and some suggestion to debug is: >> CYGWIN=detect_bloda >> How can I get messages from GUI program? Emacs W32 open conhost terminal >> buffer. Is that a place where I should expect warn message? >> What if problem occur in temporary spawned processes from Emacs? Do they >> attached to conhost terminal buffer? >> I have one BLODA, Windows Defender (win10 x64). How can I disable it? I see >> tricks like: >> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] >> "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 >> "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 >> I have Home license and have no access to Group Policy editor... > We do not use Windows Defender and I am seeing this occasionally as > well. We use McAfee though. I have found that McAfee/Intel, Norton/Symantec, AVG/Avast and similar heavy weight intrusive packages slow down I/O on your systems, and cause various problems, unless you whitelist the programs you are using at that time. If you want to run an AV, try Windows Defender, and Windows Firewall (with MSE/MS Security Essentials free download if you are still on W7). They seem to do the same job less intrusively with fewer problems, mainly the occasional annoying false positive. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-13 17:17 ` Brian Inglis @ 2017-06-15 6:49 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-15 12:31 ` cyg Simple 2017-06-15 17:54 ` Brian Inglis 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-15 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2017-06-13, Brian Inglis wrote: > If you want to run an AV, try Windows Defender, and Windows Firewall > (with MSE/MS Security Essentials free download if you are still on W7). > They seem to do the same job less intrusively with fewer problems, > mainly the occasional annoying false positive. Windows Defender is on BLODA list: https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda I actually want to disable it, not to install (( And it is prepackaged for Win10 Home edition (that is free update). > On 12 June 2017 at 23:30, Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com> wrote: >> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] >> "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 >> "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 Those settings doesn't prevent ``C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCuiL.exe`` from starting (( -- http://defun.work/ -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-15 6:49 ` Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-15 12:31 ` cyg Simple 2017-06-15 19:35 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-15 17:54 ` Brian Inglis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: cyg Simple @ 2017-06-15 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 6/15/2017 2:48 AM, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: > On 2017-06-13, Brian Inglis wrote: > >> If you want to run an AV, try Windows Defender, and Windows Firewall >> (with MSE/MS Security Essentials free download if you are still on W7). >> They seem to do the same job less intrusively with fewer problems, >> mainly the occasional annoying false positive. > > Windows Defender is on BLODA list: > > https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda > > I actually want to disable it, not to install (( > > And it is prepackaged for Win10 Home edition (that is free update). > >> On 12 June 2017 at 23:30, Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 >>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] >>> "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 >>> "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 > > Those settings doesn't prevent ``C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCuiL.exe`` > from starting (( > Does https://www.windowscentral.com/how-permanently-disable-windows-defender-windows-10 work for you? -- cyg Simple -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-15 12:31 ` cyg Simple @ 2017-06-15 19:35 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2017-06-15 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2017-06-15, cyg Simple wrote: > Does > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-permanently-disable-windows-defender-windows-10 > work for you? I don't have access to "Group Policy". gpedit.msc isn't bundled in Home Edition. Registry trick as I said doesn't work. "Settings app" menu has different appearance. I disable "Real-time protection" but still have MSASCuiL.exe running (after reboot). Microsoft may be smart enough to forbid disabling Defender... I've got another response that tell me something new, this information is provided just for a record. -- http://defun.work/ -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Sometimes Emacs sticks on forking... 2017-06-15 6:49 ` Oleksandr Gavenko 2017-06-15 12:31 ` cyg Simple @ 2017-06-15 17:54 ` Brian Inglis 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Brian Inglis @ 2017-06-15 17:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: cygwin On 2017-06-15 00:48, Oleksandr Gavenko wrote: > On 2017-06-13, Brian Inglis wrote: > >> If you want to run an AV, try Windows Defender, and Windows Firewall >> (with MSE/MS Security Essentials free download if you are still on W7). >> They seem to do the same job less intrusively with fewer problems, >> mainly the occasional annoying false positive. > > Windows Defender is on BLODA list: > > https://cygwin.com/faq/faq.html#faq.using.bloda BLODA list has no dates or versions against entries, so it's possible that an earlier standalone MS Security product had problems, that may be lessened in the functions available in Windows 7 and 10. > I actually want to disable it, not to install (( If you want to disable its functions, go into Settings, Updates & security, Windows Defender, exclude Cygwin or Windows root directory, then switch settings off. You may also have to change settings under Control Panel, Security and Maintenance, Security, to disable functions. > And it is prepackaged for Win10 Home edition (that is free update). > >> On 12 June 2017 at 23:30, Oleksandr Gavenko <gavenkoa@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 >>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows Defender] >>> "DisableAntiSpyware"=dword:00000001 >>> "DisableRoutinelyTakingAction"=dword:00000001 They are probably also changeable from Settings as above. > Those settings doesn't prevent ``C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCuiL.exe`` > from starting (( Go to Task Manager, Startup, Windows Defender notification icon, and set it to disable. You may have to kill the task, or restart Windows to stop it running, and you may then have to tell Windows that you really don't want to run Windows Defender. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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