From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: David Mason To: Norman Walsh Cc: Eric Bischoff , docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Re : db2??????? vs. SGMLTools2 vs. what else? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Message-id: <200002231540.KAA08528@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <951281049.19725.ezmlm@sourceware.cygnus.com> X-SW-Source: 2000/msg00074.html < 200002231510.KAA30278@devserv.devel.redhat.com > < 6289-Wed23Feb2000102546-0500-ndw@nwalsh.com > X-URL: < http://www.redhat.com > From: "David C. Mason" Date: 23 Feb 2000 10:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 Norman Walsh writes: > / David Mason was heard to say: > | Don't misunderstand me either - I say the more tools we have *the > | better*! In fact, I'd like to see more tools for XML (that aren't > | java) for the simple reason that once DocBook hits 5.0 it will > only be > | XML. > > While true, I think that's a somewhat misleading statement. > DocBook 5.0 will be an XML DTD, but XML *is* SGML, so > it will be an SGML DTD as well. :-) While true, ;) XML is becoming more and more its own beast in more ways than one. The simple fact that our current tools don't handle it well makes it *in reality* something different for the poor souls who had to move from starting things off with to . And on the *nix platforms we don't have it as easy as those of you on MS related products as we have no good tools to process XML (IMHO). Sure jade handles it to some extent, even against dsssl, but it doesn't handle XSL... There are a few java based tools available but the java engines for *nix stink thanks to Sun... Someone has threatened to put XSL support in Mozilla but backed down at the last second.. So tell me in my *real world* setting how similar XML is to SGML despite its continual claim that it is merely a 'subset' of SGML. If it was just that why does XSL have to come along? why do new tools have to be written? etc. But despite all that, the thrust of my argument was that I don't want yet another project called DocBook Tools! (which is not a DTD) Dave