From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Mark Galassi Cc: Norman Walsh , Eric Lee Green , "Eric S. Raymond" , docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools... Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Message-id: <20000706134507.D25726@thyrsus.com> References: <200007041511.LAA15779@snark.thyrsus.com> <00070410352500.07357@ehome.inhouse> <873dlnjklb.fsf@nwalsh.com> <20000706131959.A25726@thyrsus.com> <76g0pnjhmt.fsf@odie.lanl.gov> X-SW-Source: 2000/msg00226.html Mark Galassi : > On this list we should not tell people that "they have failed" just > because their pedagogical approach did not work for us. You're quite right. We tell people they have failed when their pedagogical approach has been reported to be ineffective by independent multiple observers. That is, that's what we do if we actually care about improving matters. If all we want to do is wrap the failure in a thick layer of feel-good batting so it can be ignored, then perhaps we do something else. -- Eric S. Raymond Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. -- Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Mark Galassi Cc: Norman Walsh , Eric Lee Green , "Eric S. Raymond" , docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: I'm trying to set up docbook-tools... Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:37:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706134507.D25726@thyrsus.com> References: <200007041511.LAA15779@snark.thyrsus.com> <00070410352500.07357@ehome.inhouse> <873dlnjklb.fsf@nwalsh.com> <20000706131959.A25726@thyrsus.com> <76g0pnjhmt.fsf@odie.lanl.gov> X-SW-Source: 2000-q3/msg00024.html Message-ID: <20000706103700._1mkEfDPkaqwq4qD4FeZZokDPckzam5fAsV7o3k8fwE@z> Mark Galassi : > On this list we should not tell people that "they have failed" just > because their pedagogical approach did not work for us. You're quite right. We tell people they have failed when their pedagogical approach has been reported to be ineffective by independent multiple observers. That is, that's what we do if we actually care about improving matters. If all we want to do is wrap the failure in a thick layer of feel-good batting so it can be ignored, then perhaps we do something else. -- Eric S. Raymond Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power. -- Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992