From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Bischoff To: docbook-utils@bazar.conectiva.com.br, docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Getting indexes? Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Message-id: <392BB577.AE72C36A@cybercable.tm.fr> References: X-SW-Source: 2000/msg00183.html Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > Well, recomendations on SGML just went out to the LSB this week (err, maybe > before the weekend, I forget). Hopefully those will get things a bit more > standardized. Hopefully. I don't have any feedback yet. > I don't use the output from my stuff too often, so I'm not > sure how to resolve those issues. You can use LyX and export to Docbook, > but I'm not sure how that works. I just noticed that DocBook 4.0 is > official, guess it's time to move to XML. (As of DB4, XML is official) Yes, and thanks to Norman Walsh, it comes with XSL style sheets. > I have to agree that the tools that do exist aren't very well put together > to get you up and running (although with a bit of work, it's do-able). We have spent some time on rewriting them in a new project called "docbook-utils" that should if Mark accepts become part of the DocBook tools. I am waiting for Mark Galassi's green light to put them on the DocBook-tools FTP server at Sourceware, along with a new "LSB-proposals-conformant" packaging (which does, by the way, put collateindex.pl in /usr/bin ;-) ). > What's a MUCH bigger concern to me is the lack of tools to do anything > except process the DocBook source into other formats. What about using > DocBook to enhance searches? How about and OO database? What about > indexing the document into a larger collection? I don't see any tools for > these yet. I've got some ideas about how do to a couple of those, but > they're kinda slow in taking shape. Yes. We already added a script, sgmldiff.pl, to compare the markup of two SGML files, regardless of the text between the tags. It's really precious for translations - now I even wonder how we could have been living without it at KDE. I have on the TODO list for docbook-utils list : - conversion from legacy input formats (texinfo, linuxdoc, ...) - wrapper for collateindex.pl. - extraction of the contents of a given tag from command line (precious for , , , ...) (more SGML-aware than a simple "grep") It seems to rejoin pretty much what you are requesting ;-). I already have people volunterring for the first two points, and I might write the third one. We just have set up a docbook-utils@bazar.conectiva.com.br developers mailing list to accelerate the development. -- Éric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Bischoff To: docbook-utils@bazar.conectiva.com.br, docbook-tools-discuss@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Getting indexes? Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 03:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <392BB577.AE72C36A@cybercable.tm.fr> References: X-SW-Source: 2000-q2/msg00005.html Message-ID: <20000524035400.-v5dWXxe_Sr4kKoo6hAjybf4mfYje1civSybaYC4yso@z> Gregory Leblanc wrote: > > Well, recomendations on SGML just went out to the LSB this week (err, maybe > before the weekend, I forget). Hopefully those will get things a bit more > standardized. Hopefully. I don't have any feedback yet. > I don't use the output from my stuff too often, so I'm not > sure how to resolve those issues. You can use LyX and export to Docbook, > but I'm not sure how that works. I just noticed that DocBook 4.0 is > official, guess it's time to move to XML. (As of DB4, XML is official) Yes, and thanks to Norman Walsh, it comes with XSL style sheets. > I have to agree that the tools that do exist aren't very well put together > to get you up and running (although with a bit of work, it's do-able). We have spent some time on rewriting them in a new project called "docbook-utils" that should if Mark accepts become part of the DocBook tools. I am waiting for Mark Galassi's green light to put them on the DocBook-tools FTP server at Sourceware, along with a new "LSB-proposals-conformant" packaging (which does, by the way, put collateindex.pl in /usr/bin ;-) ). > What's a MUCH bigger concern to me is the lack of tools to do anything > except process the DocBook source into other formats. What about using > DocBook to enhance searches? How about and OO database? What about > indexing the document into a larger collection? I don't see any tools for > these yet. I've got some ideas about how do to a couple of those, but > they're kinda slow in taking shape. Yes. We already added a script, sgmldiff.pl, to compare the markup of two SGML files, regardless of the text between the tags. It's really precious for translations - now I even wonder how we could have been living without it at KDE. I have on the TODO list for docbook-utils list : - conversion from legacy input formats (texinfo, linuxdoc, ...) - wrapper for collateindex.pl. - extraction of the contents of a given tag from command line (precious for , , , ...) (more SGML-aware than a simple "grep") It seems to rejoin pretty much what you are requesting ;-). I already have people volunterring for the first two points, and I might write the third one. We just have set up a docbook-utils@bazar.conectiva.com.br developers mailing list to accelerate the development. -- Éric Bischoff - mailto:ebisch@cybercable.tm.fr __________________________________________________ \^o~_. .~. ______ /( __ ) /V\ Toys story \__ \/ ( V // \\ \__| (__=v /( )\ |\___/ ) ^^-^^ \_____( ) Tux Konqui \__=v __________________________________________________