From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10618 invoked by alias); 19 Jun 2009 11:37:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 10609 invoked by uid 22791); 19 Jun 2009 11:37:07 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from hagrid.ecoscentric.com (HELO mail.ecoscentric.com) (212.13.207.197) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:37:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (hagrid.ecoscentric.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ecoscentric.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4382E15195C4; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:36:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.ecoscentric.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hagrid.ecoscentric.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6M88wZg1-GV; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:36:57 +0100 (BST) Received: by stef.ammanford.ecoscentric.com (Postfix, from userid 507) id 4262C4B628D; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:36:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:37:00 -0000 From: Daniel Morris To: Andrew Lunn Cc: "ecos-devel@ecos.sourceware.org" Subject: Re: NAND review Message-ID: <20090619113657.GA6189@stef.ammanford.ecoscentric.com> References: <4A126D59.7070404@intefo.ch> <20090519162853.GA27459@lunn.ch> <20090603085115.GA27508@lunn.ch> <20090613163115.GN5179@lunn.ch> <20090619080747.GB1188@lunn.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090619080747.GB1188@lunn.ch> X-GPG-Key: http://www.ecoscentric.com/~danielm/pubkey.asc X-GPG-Key-Id: 29DE0A66 X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7A3E D1F1 1189 3002 E862 3A30 ACBE 158E 29DE 0A66 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Mailing-List: contact ecos-devel-help@ecos.sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: ecos-devel-owner@ecos.sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2009-06/txt/msg00030.txt.bz2 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:07:47AM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote: > This should help avoid reinventing the wheel and hopefully make it > cornerles and symmetric. So long as you follow the Linux development > process, post often and early, and don't get flamed to a crisp it > could be good advertising for eCosCentric. > Did you miss the smiley off? ;-) I know that we've been too bashful and consistently self-deprecating to raise this issue, but is interesting that you've thought of what advertising benefit contributions make. From a business perspective, I can see the harm that the lack of credit and acknowledgement of contributions to eCos has made, limiting the incentive for donations. Take a look at the 3.0 release announcement and pick just one example. Now I am acutely aware of how many man-months/years eCosCentric put into producing a coherent toolchain across the multiple host and target architectures to help the community, to the point of turning away business whilst we had engineers and resources working on this - but one struggles to find reference to this effort without trawling 534 ChangeLogs or dredging threads in disparate mail-lists or examining each commit. eCosCentric's view has been to shrug our shoulders, ignore the trolls, hesitate to criticise and pretty much carry on regardless, making well reasoned contributions and at the same time building a sustainable business so that we can lather, rinse and repeat. There's lots of stuff that we just get on with, in the background, that is unlikely ever to bring in any publicity, but is pivotal to the ongoing success of eCos. However, I know from talking with engineers, managers and cohorts of lawyers that the perceived value (and even risk) of a contribution is often measured according to the more accessible headlines and soundbites, rather than unrecognised deep and broad engineering. Perhaps making our own improvements would have greater, more immediate and measurable benefits to the eCos community than hoping to piggy-back on Linux's shirt-tails through guerilla marketing? ;-) Daniel %<---------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel Morris - Sales & Marketing Director eCosCentric - The eCos and RedBoot experts Tel: +44 1223 245 571 - info@eCosCentric.com DDI: +44 1269 591 171 - danielm@eCosCentric.com