From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2670 invoked by alias); 7 Oct 2015 09:59:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ecos-discuss-help@ecos.sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: ecos-discuss-owner@ecos.sourceware.org Received: (qmail 2656 invoked by uid 89); 7 Oct 2015 09:59:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_60,KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,LIKELY_SPAM_BODY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-HELO: relay07.alfahosting-server.de Received: from relay07.alfahosting-server.de (HELO relay07.alfahosting-server.de) (109.237.142.243) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES256-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 09:59:52 +0000 Received: by relay01.alfahosting-server.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2CE332CC4BA; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:59:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-DCC: : Received: from alfa3017.alfahosting-server.de (alfa3017.alfahosting-server.de [109.237.140.28]) by relay01.alfahosting-server.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD80F32C2E5D; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:50:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from itrrrauch (p5DCDFEA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.205.254.166]) by alfa3017.alfahosting-server.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 76D4F29359E6; Wed, 7 Oct 2015 11:50:34 +0200 (CEST) From: "Richard Rauch" To: "'Mikhail Matusov'" , References: <00d901d1000b$cadebbd0$609c3370$@itrgmbh.de> <53B3B42F298B4F0DAF3729F09E4B839A@SPCI055> In-Reply-To: <53B3B42F298B4F0DAF3729F09E4B839A@SPCI055> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 09:59:00 -0000 Message-ID: <003601d100e5$9f300450$dd900cf0$@itrgmbh.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checker-Version: clamassassin 1.2.4 with ClamAV 0.97.3/20955/Tue Oct 6 17:51:26 2015 X-IsSubscribed: yes Subject: AW: [ECOS] Re: is eCos dying? X-SW-Source: 2015-10/txt/msg00006.txt.bz2 Hi Mikhail, in which port you are interested? For Xilinx we have made eCos 3.0 port to Microblaze and to Zynq. > Von: ecos-discuss-owner@ecos.sourceware.org [mailto:ecos-discuss- > owner@ecos.sourceware.org] Im Auftrag von Mikhail Matusov > Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Oktober 2015 14:59 > An: Richard Rauch; ecos-discuss@sourceware.org > Betreff: Re: [ECOS] Re: is eCos dying? > > Hi Richard, > > Could you tell more about your Xilinx port? > > Thanks, > /Mikhail > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Rauch > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 3:51 AM > To: ecos-discuss@sourceware.org > Subject: Re: [ECOS] Re: is eCos dying? > > Hi, > > my opinion is quite differently: > You do not see a lot of activities in the eCos community because of politics > and commercial interests. > > My company was very active in eCos projects (specially porting projects and > development toolchain) within several years. > Beside several application projects based on eCos we have made a couple of > portings to different processor platforms for microcontroller vendors (Atmel, > Xilinx) and OEMs. > > We tried to commit all this ports to the community! Specially one of the > OEMs (Softing AG, Munich) was very active by himself in this commitment > activity as well. > But from eCos maintainer side there is no interest to overtake such ports. > This is just a guess, but in my opinion the reason for this is, that the > maintainers of public eCos are as well strongly commercial oriented. > It seems, they will not put any port to official open source repository if it > could disturb commercial interests (eCosCentric/eCosPro...). > > I will give just one example when we tried to make a port public: > http://bugs.ecos.sourceware.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1001649 > further activities, if you search for in detail: > http://bugs.ecos.sourceware.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=at91sam9G45 > beside this there was email traffic as well with the maintainers, but finally > there was no success! > > Additionally I need to say, that you will be thwarted, if you try to offer > commercial activities as well. If you are not absolutely carefully about usage > of eCos name and logo, you will get some letters from eCosCentric's lawyer! > > In consideration of our experiences I do not wonder, that the audience is > losing interest in eCos and is searching for alternatives. > We have already customers, who decided against eCos specially because the > fact, that there is dramatically decreasing activity in the community! > > Richard > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------- > > Von: ecos-discuss-owner@ecos.sourceware.org [mailto:ecos-discuss- > > owner@ecos.sourceware.org] Im Auftrag von Grant Edwards > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2015 17:00 > > An: ecos-discuss@ecos.sourceware.org > > Betreff: [ECOS] Re: is eCos dying? > > > > On 2015-10-04, Stanislav Meduna wrote: > > > On 03.10.2015 10:15, John Dallaway wrote: > > > > > > Hi Abhishek, > > > > > >>> Would it be worth to start learning on eCos or is it dying ?I have > > >>> seen enough activity in 2007 but now it is minimal this year. > > >>> Is it getting outdated? > > > > > >> eCos is not dying, but I would have to agree that there has been > > >> less activity on the mailing lists recently. > > > > > > Well the last commit in http://hg-pub.ecoscentric.com/ecos/ is 5 > > > months old one-liner, followed by a 12 and 15 month old ones, so > > > this is not only on mailing lists. I'd say that while it is still a > > > good OS with clean and easy to use architecture, the open source > > > version basically died and there are parts hopelessly outdated > > > (TCP/IP from > > > ~2000 if I remember correctly etc). > > > > > > I cannot comment on eCosPro, but then you are in a price segment > > > where there are more alternatives to explore. > > > > > >>> should i begin to work using eCos or should i look for other > alternative? > > > > > > It depends on what your short and long-term plans are. Definitely > > > also take a look at FreeRTOS. > > > > I also am commenting strictly on the open-source version, not on > eCosPro... > > > > I've been using eCos since the Cygnus days (around 1999 or so). I've > > been pretty happy with it, but the open-source version is getting pretty > stale. > I'm > > particularly worried about the ancient FreeBSD network stack -- but it > still > > seems to be working OK, knock on wood. > > > > I'm also concerned about what's going to happen when my customers > > starting actually using IPv6 in anger. > > > > Getting the two BSD networks stacks integrated into eCos was an > > impressive feat of engineering. But, a square peg in a round hole is > > still a square > peg in a > > round hole no matter how much you admire the craftsmanship of the > shims. > > > > I've often wished I had a few spare weeks to experiment with LWIP. I > > have the impression that it's a better fit for eCos and would be > > easier to keep current. > > > > If I were starting from scratch these days, I'd probably look first at > something > > other than eCos. I've never needed the full-up POSIX or uItron > > adaptation layers, so for my smaller projects I'd probably lean > > towards something a > little > > lighter-weight like uCos-II/III (not free) or XMK (which also seems to > > be languishing a bit). FreeRTOS would also be at the top of my list > > of > candidates > > -- even though I find the web-site a bit off-putting. I'd probably > > use > Linux for > > bigger, more complex projects that are "not quite as real-time" and > > could benefit from the Unix memory protection and process models. > > > > -- > > Grant > > > > > > -- > > Before posting, please read the FAQ: > > http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos > > and search the list archive: > > http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss > > > > -- > Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos > and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6140 / Virus Database: 4435/10768 - Release Date: 10/06/15 > > > -- > Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos > and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss