From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20797 invoked by alias); 23 Jun 2005 06:29:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ecos-discuss-help@ecos.sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: ecos-discuss-owner@ecos.sourceware.org Received: (qmail 20746 invoked by uid 22791); 23 Jun 2005 06:29:49 -0000 Received: from camlica-vw.koc.net (HELO mss1.koc.net) (193.243.207.66) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.30-dev) with ESMTP; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:29:49 +0000 Received: from smtp01a.aspkoc.net ([195.87.204.31]) by mss1.koc.net with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:29:43 +0300 Received: from 10.254.1.131 ([81.8.18.4]) by smtp01a.aspkoc.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:29:29 +0300 From: "K. Sinan YILDIRIM" To: ecos-discuss@sources.redhat.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:29:00 -0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20050622182844.7476.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050622182844.7476.qmail@web88210.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200506230927.33072.sinany@beko.com.tr> Subject: Re: [ECOS] ECOS - MIPS X-SW-Source: 2005-06/txt/msg00216.txt.bz2 People may have positive and negative comments about a SW product. Does thi= s=20 group for only positive ones ? Or only positive questions ?=20 I have been writing SW for about 10 years. I have just examined eCOS and fo= und=20 that it is configurable on some way and unconfigurable ( hard to reconfigur= e=20 ) on some way. May be it is much more configurable than the existing ones b= ut=20 not a super really configurable OS.=20 I am the user. This is a user point of view . Having a seperate HAL layer o= r a=20 structured file tree doesnt make an operating system really configurable.=20 Configurability means to change the operating system according to your need= s=20 in a quick way : not being able to change it in a month...=20 configurable modern SW is done with SW patterns. Architectural and Design=20 patterns makes SW configurable, easy to change, etc... Embedded SW needs go= od=20 architectural design with really reusable architectural and design patterns= .=20 What makes JAVA popular is these points. It is a programming framework that= =20 fullfills these points. eCOS is not a really framework. When you read the documentation, it seems = to=20 be an OS framework but indeed it doesn't.=20 What i try to mean is we must make it better in order to make it usable in = the=20 future.=20 =C3=87ar=C5=9Famba 22 Haziran 2005 09:28 =C3=B6s tarihinde, L D =C5=9Funlar= =C4=B1 yazm=C4=B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1:=20 > --- "K. Sinan YILDIRIM" wrote: > > i dont understand why ecos restricts its users with > > a configtool and > > Have you actually used it the way it was meant to be > used? You have to learn the _ecos_ way of doing > things, there is no shortcuts (unless you pay someone > [not me] to do the work) !. > > > templates. i want a clean makefile and module > > structure. > > What is so unclean about eCos? eCos is more than a > collection of .cxx files held together by makefiles. > It is a collection of reconfigurable reusable > components and this is where the cdl (component > definition language) comes in. Take a look at his link > http://www.embedded.com/story/OEG20011220S0059 > its few years old but it is also nice and _short_. > > > not structuring with > > a config tool or hardware environment. it is really > > diffucult to add or > > remove a new file. also many files are coupled each > > other. > > You add and remove files by adding the filename to > the a cdl file. That is not harder than editing a > makefile. > > > i have a board that implements mips core and > > different to atlas board. there > > must be a clean version of ecos that includes pure > > mips dependencies. atlas > > There is no such thing as "pure" mips. Why don't you > just give us more details about your board. It is > much more productive than making negative inaccurate > comments about eCos. This is how it normally works > around here. You ask a question, give the relevant > details and hope that someone can help. > > > dependencies makes people to change their OS > > choice... > > > > does anyone think that it is really configurable ? > > Hello! Its called configurable for a good reason! -- Before posting, please read the FAQ: http://ecos.sourceware.org/fom/ecos and search the list archive: http://ecos.sourceware.org/ml/ecos-discuss