From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16651 invoked by alias); 8 May 2003 03:16:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ecos-maintainers-help@sources.redhat.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: ecos-maintainers-owner@sources.redhat.com Received: (qmail 16633 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 03:16:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3EB9CC0E.3010706@eCosCentric.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 03:16:00 -0000 From: Jonathan Larmour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030314 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Schuilenburg Cc: eCos Maintainers Subject: Re: Patch policy References: <1052225944.30126.4370.camel@hermes> <20030506132550.GK24032@biferten.ma.tech.ascom.ch> <3EB7CAAF.4050807@eCosCentric.com> <3EB96CDB.5080405@eCosCentric.com> <1052344447.30126.14197.camel@hermes> <3EB99066.1030502@eCosCentric.com> <3EB99933.3060409@ecoscentric.com> <3EB99CD6.6060001@eCosCentric.com> <3EB9A266.3030800@ecoscentric.com> In-Reply-To: <3EB9A266.3030800@ecoscentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2003-05/txt/msg00023.txt.bz2 Alex Schuilenburg wrote: > > The logo *is* since it contains the words ECOS and ECOS is a registered > trademark of Red Hat. I should have been more specific: Under > trademark law, colour, style, font, case, etc all are ignored if the > text is trademarked. As such, the logo is just a stylised version of the > text and hence is covered by the ECOS trademark. I wonder why I've never seen them use (R) with the logo. Evidently it's a good thing IANAL then ;). >> believe you that there may well have been handouts with the TM >> superscript... in fact I've just looked and the stickers I have here >> do have the TM I see. But the laxness in applying the TM as evidenced >> by the existing public use of logos by Red Hat makes it very difficult >> to enforce. > > *Very* incorrect. Red Hat are *very* serious when it comes to defending > their trademarks, and the trademarks do not have to be registered as you > pointed out. Not just the "Red Hat" trademark but other trademarks > also. They have put companies out of business defending their trademark, > the most recent was last March (IIRC) when they closed down some > business that was selling versions of Linux with the same codename as > their latest release. But that's presumably "passing off" which is not what we are doing. It's impossible to pass sourceware eCos off as a discontinued product ;-). Not that it could be, having been established by Red Hat, etc.etc. > And BTW, I believe you have to acknowledge trademarks by their owners. I > don't think you can get away with "All registered Trade Marks are the > property of their owners" anymore. Std practice though is to be told of > the infringement so you have the opportunity to put things right. Just > to be safe and proper, I do suggest you should put in a legal disclaimer. I've done so by editting the footer, although it appears to be global to the site, not just the front page. If you have a better idea please say (or just go ahead and do as far as I'm concerned). e.g. if you know how to add whole new pages to bugzilla. Jifl -- eCosCentric http://www.eCosCentric.com/ The eCos and RedBoot experts --[ "You can complain because roses have thorns, or you ]-- --[ can rejoice because thorns have roses." -Lincoln ]-- Opinions==mine