From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28422 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2009 20:53:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 28413 invoked by uid 22791); 19 Feb 2009 20:53:06 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SARE_FWDLOOK,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from hagrid.ecoscentric.com (HELO mail.ecoscentric.com) (212.13.207.197) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:52:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (hagrid.ecoscentric.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ecoscentric.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276C860B800E; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:52:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.ecoscentric.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hagrid.ecoscentric.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UsAVIcGMQQq4; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:52:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <499DC6A8.5010900@eCosCentric.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:53:00 -0000 From: Jonathan Larmour User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8-1.1.fc3.4.legacy (X11/20060515) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Veer CC: John Dallaway , ecos-maintainers@ecos.sourceware.org Subject: Re: Flash subsystem update References: <4992951D.10004@dallaway.org.uk> <499A12DD.4060609@eCosCentric.com> <499A849D.6030809@dallaway.org.uk> <499B33AE.6050608@dallaway.org.uk> <499CA2FD.2000504@eCosCentric.com> <499D6F37.7090902@dallaway.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mailing-List: contact ecos-maintainers-help@ecos.sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: ecos-maintainers-owner@ecos.sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2009-02/txt/msg00040.txt.bz2 Bart Veer wrote: > John> So it seems you have opposite perspectives on whether it is > John> preferable to: > > John> a) preserve API compatibility when the flash subsystem > John> switches over to using a prioritized constructor, leaving > John> legacy support code in place for the foreseeable future > > John> or > > John> b) break API compatibility now, drawing the attention of > John> developers to the forthcoming change and providing a route > John> to the complete elimination of deprecated code in the future > > John> There is no "right answer" here, but I would note that: > > John> * A major new release of the code is the best time to make > John> forward-looking API changes > > John> * As things stand, breakage to existing application builds will be > John> trivial to fix at the application level > > John> I suggest we give the other eCos maintainers an opportunity > John> to comment today. I will defer branching for eCos 3.0 until > John> tomorrow morning. > > No, you still don't understand. My original proposal NEVER breaks > compatibility. Not now, because it involved zero changes to the API. > Not in future, because there will always be a cyg_flash_init() with > the exact same interface as it does now. It will become deprecated but > it will still exist. Deprecating an API function means requiring API users to stop using it. Are you requiring them to change their application, freshly written to this new API, or not? Until my change, the only way to set the printf function was with cyg_flash_init. That function rightly should go away, not bloat things in perpetuity. > Jifl's patches have broken API compatibility with existing code. In > future his modified cyg_flash_init() will still exist but it will be > deprecated in the same way as per my proposal. > So Jifl's patches have gained us absolutely nothing. However they have > broken compatibility for existing applications, and with 4+ years of > eCosPro releases. Again, I'm writing solely as a maintainer. I'd like to know how many applications you think are based on the *public* eCos project using flash v2, given its dependency on an ancient tree. I do know that people _tried_ to use it. And gave up. I did think of retaining the existing function signature, but documenting a requirement for a NULL argument, but there seemed no point given this has never been a proper API. Moreover changing the function signature means that should there somehow be incorrect use of cyg_flash_init, it will result in a cleanly reported error to the user. Not that I expect that to happen outside of eCosCentric (RBL is the only thing I can think of). The only people affected are eCosCentric, because they/we slightly jumped the gun and integrated it in their own trunk rather than making that effort in the public sources. With a maintainer's hat on, that's not to do with the public project. Jifl -- *See us at Embedded World 2009, Nürnberg, Germany, 3-5 Mar, Stand 11-300* eCosCentric Limited http://www.eCosCentric.com/ The eCos experts Barnwell House, Barnwell Drive, Cambridge, UK. Tel: +44 1223 245571 Registered in England and Wales: Reg No 4422071. ------["Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere"]------ Opinions==mine