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From: Bart Veer <>
To: Jonathan Larmour <>
Subject: Re: [flashv2 merge] io/flash
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:59:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <> (message from Jonathan Larmour 	on Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:21:27 +0000)

>>>>> "Jifl" == Jonathan Larmour <> writes:

    Jifl> I think this is all absolutely fine.

    >> Actually, it is wrong in at least one place. I remember one
    >> board where the CAN interface was hanging off an SPI bus
    >> instead of being on-chip. That implies CAN should be treated as
    >> a network device, not a bus, and should init at
    >> Everybody, please think carefully about any funny boards you
    >> have come across over the years, and whether or not the above
    >> order makes sense.

    Jifl> Of course the purpose of having these numbers abstracted is
    Jifl> that if we do need to, it can be tweaked.

Yes and no. Tweaking the numbers at any time in the future runs the
risk of breaking existing ports. If we are going to make the change
now then I hope we can get the order as close to perfect as possible.

Although the amount of code affected is fairly small, the potential
impact on existing ports is large. Any changes in this area would be
new and have not had extensive testing in eCosCentric's testfarm.

    >> >> Finally the file I/O subsystem. Possibly this should happen
    >> >> earlier, between DEV_BLOCK_PRIMARY and CONFIG, so that an
    >> >> implementation of the config data module can be layered on top
    >> >> of file I/O. Or possibly CYG_INIT_IO_FS should happen
    >> >> immediately after CYG_INIT_MEMALLOC, with the proviso that file
    >> >> I/O operations for devices may fail until later in the init
    >> >> sequence.

    Jifl> It's certainly plausible to want to read config data from an
    Jifl> FS, IMHO. But CYG_INIT_MEMALLOC seems unnecessarily early
    Jifl> and would probably cause more problems than it solves.

    >> I am not sure I agree with that. MEMALLOC should only involve main
    >> memory, with no need to worry about whether or not any of the I/O
    >> subsystem is available yet. Initializing MEMALLOC early means that
    >> device drivers could perform run-time detection and dynamically
    >> allocate any buffers required, instead of statically allocating for
    >> the worst case.

    Jifl> I thought you were saying the order would be
    Jifl> CYG_INIT_MEMALLOC, CYG_INIT_IO_FS and then the rest of the
    Jifl> CYG_INIT_IO*. I don't have any issue with MEMALLOC being
    Jifl> first, but wouldn't have thought that CYG_INIT_IO_FS being
    Jifl> before CYG_INIT_IO* would work well.

    Jifl> Were you saying something differnt perhaps?

Sorry, misunderstanding. OK, MEMALLOC happens before any I/O.

As to CYG_INIT_IO_FS, the question is really what that is for. The
main use right now is in io/fileio to initialize the various mutex
locks, although there are some other uses in that package.
Initializing mutexes and the file descriptor table early on should be
harmless, but I am not familiar enough with the internals of the file
I/O package to understand all the implications.

Allowing the config code to mount a file system on top of a primary
block device and then open and read a file obviously makes sense. It
is not obvious that it makes sense to allow open() and read() before
any primary block devices are initialized, but on the other hand it
avoids problems if we ever add something ahead of primary block

There are also uses of CYG_INIT_IO_FS in the vnc_server and httpd
packages. Those should probably get initialized a lot later.


Bart Veer                                   eCos Configuration Architect
eCosCentric Limited    The eCos experts
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-18 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-11-18 15:59     ` Jonathan Larmour
2008-11-18 16:53       ` Bart Veer
2008-11-18 17:22         ` Jonathan Larmour
2008-11-18 17:59           ` Bart Veer [this message]
2008-11-18 18:35             ` Jonathan Larmour

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