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From: Ulf Hermann <ulf.hermann@qt.io>
Cc: <elfutils-devel@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: frame unwinding patches
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 10:16:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ca107eef-9f1a-b6d6-3fe5-81470eb4be4e@qt.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1491560851.8380.162.camel@klomp.org>


> I do agree with Jan that frame pointer unwinding is notoriously
> untrustworthy. Even with some sanity checks it is hard to know whether
> you are doing a correct unwind. gdb gets away with it through pretty
> advanced frame sniffers, which take a lot of low-level compiler
> generation knowledge to get correct (and even then...). You only restore
> the pc, stack and frame pointer registers (maybe incorrectly). So
> afterwards, even if you got valid CFI data you might be stuck.

Yes, especially with mixed stack traces, where part of the stack has CFI and part of it doesn't, we quickly run into guesswork. I've regenerated the binaries as suggested, with the result being that raise() from libc actually has CFI, but doesn't set a frame pointer. So, the frame pointer unwinder can find raise() in the link register, but it sets up the FP register with the wrong value. Then raise() is unwound using CFI, which mixes up the registers some more. At that point we're lost. I don't see an easy way out of this.

I will keep a version of the frame unwinding for perfparser as it's still better than not unwinding at all, but I do understand that it's not really suitable for mainline elfutils.

br,
Ulf

  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-11 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-15 23:34 Mark Wielaard
2017-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 2/3] Add frame pointer unwinding as fallback on arm Mark Wielaard
2017-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 1/3] Add frame pointer unwinding as fallback on x86_64 Mark Wielaard
2017-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 3/3] Add frame pointer unwinding for aarch64 Mark Wielaard
2017-02-16  9:13 ` frame unwinding patches Ulf Hermann
2017-04-03  9:00 ` Milian Wolff
2017-04-03  9:03   ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-03 21:14     ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-07 10:27       ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-11 10:16         ` Ulf Hermann [this message]
2017-04-19 19:48           ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-20  9:26             ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 12:50               ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 12:54                 ` [PATCH 1/5] Revert "Optionally allow unknown symbols in the backtrace tests" Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 12:50                   ` [PATCH 2/5] tests: Add core backtracegen chec and regenerate ppc32 backtrace test files Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 13:04                     ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 12:55                   ` [PATCH 3/5] Add frame pointer unwinding as fallback on x86_64 Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 13:05                     ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 12:56                   ` [PATCH 1/5] Revert "Optionally allow unknown symbols in the backtrace tests" Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 12:56                   ` [PATCH 4/5] Add i386 frame pointer unwinder Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 13:38                     ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 13:11                   ` [PATCH 5/5] Add frame pointer unwinding for aarch64 Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 21:55                     ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-25 22:13                     ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-25 22:23                       ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-26 15:24                         ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-27 14:02                           ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-27 14:29                             ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-27 14:35                               ` Ulf Hermann
2017-04-27 15:09                                 ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-27 15:42                                   ` Ulf Hermann
2017-05-03  8:46                                 ` Mark Wielaard
2017-04-26 15:20                 ` frame unwinding patches Ulf Hermann
2017-04-03 21:23   ` Jan Kratochvil
2017-04-04  7:40     ` Milian Wolff
2017-04-04  7:55       ` Jan Kratochvil
2017-04-04  8:25         ` Ulf Hermann

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