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Content-Language: en-US To: fortran@gcc.gnu.org References: From: Roland Hughes In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: poseidon.geekstorage.com: authenticated_id: roland@logikalsolutions.com X-Authenticated-Sender: poseidon.geekstorage.com: roland@logikalsolutions.com X-Originating-IP: 162.249.125.20 X-SpamExperts-Domain: geekstorage.com X-SpamExperts-Username: 162.249.125.20 Authentication-Results: theservercompany.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=162.249.125.20@geekstorage.com X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.09) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Pt3MvcO5N4iKaDQ5O6lkdGlMVN6RH8bjRMzItlySaT/0rmrzDqrMLeUSRMEjiLQzPUtbdvnXkggZ 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5woJXXQwOxrVXQv6Zrb+bEHnhcNvJjxFohbTRD73RqMl72u EcSq97XToQuySKa4qxRaa40DxZPJuLUk3zkVKd8pdqDuc9lS3Nx+9iKFZ9qooIHERzo6Rq3cmnBS jYerX7nqWTutpVIegCzxd1dDrRWx+gaXrHkgRC7/tI3CjXmVymZP7d66aOdmcszVivS7g13uvmc+ 0/Nod1BYwMI2gqJiinHc9sTi9lNcEaTTGiUrXQaGwleArZxQxV8ECpi+lmbBPeWxfLTyo52lpUOn 40xHoOAmb0xgXrrQKITtclJwwjxIPj1UU4msT2Odp9D6f/Om/kpOWQV1ILff1+qZar/CZdONW7YG NNLfGcEBhKT67u476SMjSpIrOh2L/Imhos7Z4xpigOktCp6Xcz12tfjFPd0rEuGjFyZoidhtHm+W obJnOa0fNClW6LdvDL2eUYcCEq4H6K36WsAiyXTCAymultK+MtP+Q+MOaQQT+Vn8BIlSPGIn6LIh 6vfZt6Tuc+uVfVL7ygxIxIEhQBgsu7ia6J1fhOzjF0b4LXcjJZ5louY/3MAS4070VnmKdtJSeu1e 5S10FHDQLMw7J6FDq9AYTPBMWG/KNnwpft7FMbAo3wrdw2gV8ruZ8+dewPSU2WxJJTtZDe64ZmKG hvoQyGQuUcgZdOzladg/0vaIE/GiFwDzS42xN4VrjJgkUZLUenR3j1q/jyoZpXFD3CtQLebvzfS2 sBy0REbB5UUGdVDnU2fzBT1fcoq6kUp9oWRhnGhSNVLSGHq38KxiXDKXH+VdZjEa/sNl+vcoDGoY k0DAXTLVxMNNNph0sb9GpqOVQC/6DxWSEoQUnaVSVuR240EwIAXeGygZbk1417qBSAMGkEZyfGPE pQRMcz94S24jjYWR27r9HYUzziTFhEVK8LUg4f6J5rBSzGrZ0e+ydps0ctjMhxTwp6lvTggGKbZs CoU05g8jPjKcxrullDiGL8caFmgv9HzoFRncUONwaXOq9BRcGvAMkGKozu6mLYl2/vU= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@mailx1.theservercompany.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: If you wan raw horsepower on a "working man's" wage, get one of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/383809689955?hash=item595cd71963:g:6NAAAOSwg4JhCKuJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwOngs27VAqvfureMtmK3O3TxUN8Opb7KbjeXhpl96DaDi%2BpSMCspc40m34f7wzlxF%2BX45dfQ8gIXlzjf6fMo7fQ%2Bd%2FLFVgwFRORxnAcRFKjjheHahPafOROUjs7yGNHpAM2hsg5JH6vcvU9mA9yyIoBFMIlEZELhAZ34xCCpMCvsEgzA73XBFddWtfV7FqHGXWrOsvP0B5WmRmCrODzhkH0msX1XB%2FXxf3fDYIxPcDITg7colOPlaNo93ATw2VhZYA%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9TglPvvYQ They are mighty slow from a cold boot verifying all of their firmware, but they scream. Put at least a 6TB WD Black for your "work" drive, use SSD only for boot. I have one of these I use for Yocto builds. I can give a Ubuntu VM 16-core and 90GB of RAM. With the virtual drive on the WD Black, a complete Linux from scratch build for an embedded system is under 3.5 hours. If you only need a few core CUDA core, a pair of these will cost you well under $50 https://www.ebay.com/itm/364218004301?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20220920135554%26meid%3D490d57d5aabe4457afe337f1c6aa1605%26pid%3D101197%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D295380047025%26itm%3D364218004301%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWebMskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV1%26brand%3DNVIDIA&_trksid=p2047675.c101197.m1850&amdata=cksum%3A364218004301490d57d5aabe4457afe337f1c6aa1605%7Cenc%3AAQAIAAABIJiyRA3UZOlY17tF8AfiSuRQhHC9c8zdhSad9rXZnwgXvfF0F0w2wQB9U6A4KFPHsgpqramMJ0IucFGCD0JT%252BF35flAQd1p2pgAxUhPkACs7fyGCi2Kmkbkap7sEf29z4T1tcYqHIgSzdNOG1MOYulEWTDyKPdEGX1ZD3Y5YmtSvdJWTbnODktzI%252FOxgP1OvnvyjHiiOxLs6eKwjAxkQlGxpfmagbcVGZqZakRV0q7if3tQ8o2Skrg7JazTvTE3pSz2LVaj28KYa5f2U46xzSarOdrR6T8k2GFHYUX8gtiy6cvg2qUOCFtImZL%252FTu24tLizEjk2gDzTx%252BTZIhA9hD%252BDk0OhzGYqFhPpHyO7ZiHjjCzmifYiIFcAFCdQoLVrL%252Fw%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675 I stuck a P600 in mine to get 384 CUDA core for well under $100 https://www.ebay.com/itm/255787052523 If that class of machine is too far past "hobby" for you, (can there really be such a thing???) then I recommend one of these. https://www.ebay.com/itm/125606569756 Again, get yourself a WD Black spinning disk of at least 4TB to be your "work" disk. Use your M2 only for the boot OS. I loaded Manjaro on mine with an M2 black 1TB drive and a WD Black 6TB spinning disk. I also installed an NVS 310 and the slim DVD RW. For around $600 you can have a machine that boots instantly and runs great. On the Z820 I run Windows 10 and lots of different Linux distros in VMs. On the z2 G4, I run Manjaro Cinnamon Linux. That's an Arch based Linux, but an almost user friendly one. For those just getting their feet wet with a desktop Linux I recommend the current Ubuntu LTS release, not because it is good, but because when you search on the Internet the first help pages for how to do something will invariably use Ubuntu. Arch doesn't use Debian packaging. Beginners should avoid RPM based distros at all costs. Waaay too many "We do it this way and don't care what the known universe has chosen to do" situations for a beginner. Just my 0.002 cents. On 4/14/2023 3:18 AM, fortran-request@gcc.gnu.org wrote: > replacing hardware? (Steve Kargl) -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 (cell) http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com http://www.infiniteexposure.net http://www.johnsmith-book.com