From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FD243856634 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 08:08:35 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 3FD243856634 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmx.de Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmx.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1685952506; x=1686557306; i=vehre@gmx.de; bh=i9m1WlgEixAZRElQuN51RPPBuHx2EtqchACCEI45zgM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ib4o4z2cnkV2719jbr4PAox7MxVlUC8WJLdDmGlgZ7cXrwOYRF0FE2o7b1NWhUf+2Doj3W0 D2FVabwalWHzH0FJGIPC0JTe2QTeZjcPXrXjkighmEMLA/jrgWTyMvgJ+A88XXciytjU0Ji1n 0YsqQ8ETLZULasTdR9Fv4oRym9f/aVfu2kLld2BpjoLTRHBcgPIV2+NttctKxpe/061SoiBUm e0GX4i9k7r33+Amrug4yoK4ogPtkEzZm+ifMpqAqADn/VPHTwxz4NQenm6z7vmgrK/WZOS+vV sggXIl9sWX77mpv07/+5Vm1ICUooCLle0GUa5lLY8MCveuu05msg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from vepi2 ([62.155.201.188]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MJVHe-1pmMWA2x1k-00JucK; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 10:08:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:08:25 +0200 From: Andre Vehreschild To: Mikael Morin Cc: Damian Rouson , Thomas Koenig , Benson Muite , Jerry D , Paul Richard Thomas , GCC-Fortran-ML , Lexi Pimenidis Subject: Re: Possible funding of gfortran work Message-ID: <20230605100825.78c4ac78@vepi2> In-Reply-To: References: <4697f7be-ac3e-8c5d-f27c-3aec89b5b03f@protonmail.com> <0d923990-0b7a-a1ea-8389-bf3837e73ed0@gmail.com> <737bbf36-04a8-c1e4-b3aa-31121df66013@netcologne.de> <20230527132414.50184389@vepi2> <105c761a-5030-aee5-6587-2783a794f469@gmail.com> <20230530153242.54728d4d@vepi2> <2fa3240f-fbb8-23b6-2a10-24f9a415f729@netcologne.de> <5bde7c1f-3524-7f2e-fd48-a4b97734e2b9@emailplus.org> <2f95809c-8f0b-7d75-ca62-aeee11c6bee0@netcologne.de> <20230531142302.75ec742d@vepi2> <20230601111808.5ed7a9e3@vepi2> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:LuJ+7Tvq6BOEamasQIj99a/URal57lpRGtcj2Ctn1aItYB17pZX N4hn2kU56W0qVyEWEs5WsNrCyrAFs9SWF3c3i+55aIKULejBM2EnKLCH7xWZFhAbe502OUJ ogMtHtzIaM9R1mFKYvgM/gZFi/IrqSehSpX9uulZ2rAYLTFUZO2RiNjhB+h/Yhnd+iHmYzZ izSGxpKjnAPsC2m3DEyow== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:p/taLgyiZZ4=;rbTr2af4wSsoji+22ql12r22TLz TL6pyQNeI0XzgVf7Y5i6lpn5dLaHPDyn2IL9/sQRiI3vgj4P2U6q4SQhQPfVrWQ7Z4uUvG5VK kmoaJP2DKRdGeEP0I2A3s6oZf7+H0D+qakBU/xzigiTe+RKbsR9difMdathybwjRka4F34Wge bVsBQWvtwrFoXk+wGsl+OERB3hpUOeqKwMDH9QhWd4ymzzI7WGPLsUWYrucmoRNqTsY6VzkyJ GPw7KRAWElVS0tqjpE445vhvmUvz7uTOsMp/e/OH1Kg6ZDACQvqUy/Jbc74FjO6dticTN7XJR ObEM87g7kMIohZG1Aoz4k60yrSPK3FbeUUTG4tLelLsf2pzLol2bUvu4/qcjuhAr+Rj/YBTkX OexFQlirl7nZ7OD/lxcMTDNG2dLzoLKssmu2vfM3YkUQ2UnsWWat5T7lwJKXRNqisPYiorPZn zyel6+JD+rTG1C1mGTHL/PxtHPu/2Z57JxbU6O9lE3ExRK7586qciNndtQkAlrRsCrDi3864E HNFS3cE/61eMsmqzVo9y6Vn8Fhh/g2zhO1T9L6JhI8YYcsX8a9JfME7Rdg8DYyiSdTkLWIDfF 0yCnvjxu13sMz00UGHQC3axydP9sCtHt+qkpEtJfSvpKw4z/zJCnSwCaJs1woFuVikMw1f7zu 7O6gtEPQ2RZpggb8gZn7LdECd26TKBzqtWI4Ce/CjfguIGcooediD0JkU0A/au/u6iHU5ewQ5 y+sgX+jaPluaUSC9k2NCRvZrSMaxkY/Dw2VX849Z9aoTipdU5evRUuc5ZLGH4EV8Yq7nMBGlF /Ieg058PAuEq49cVcJHYisB/q18U7kuU517PkImPrC+VdTkIeiIlaY6NXLkWxJHTE3v24t4TH MTpGaeF/tMG0vdZteDyEl5jkFaqT3BtnJP/KWhnJW3aFK4oCYioAQixMUwS/VvsQisQfWIYQ8 4XSxyQ== X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,WINNER_SUBJECT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi Mikael, thanks for your valuable input. I have commented inline: > The latter paragraph seems more an answer to the question "why is it=20 > critical for gfortran to get funding" than "why is it critical for a=20 > funding body to choose gfortran"? >=20 > One idea about the latter question: > so that there is always a free solution: > - for engineers to make best usage of the hardware available to them=20 > without hassle and spend their time at what they are best: making science > - for decades-old proven science codes to be adapted to current=20 > parallel computing architectures Agreed. Thank you very much. I have adapted and added it. > There is also Siemens (Tobias, etc) working on OMP and OpenACC. Not=20 > sure whether it should me mentioned here. Well, I mean we don't ask for funding on OMP or OpenACC development. So do = we need to confine ourself from these technologies? =20 > I'm not very found of the last part of the sentence, which sounds like=20 > the project is targetting half-unfinished state. I understand Thomas=20 > not willing to engage to something without being sure it can be=20 > delivered on time. But the goal is always to be somehow successful; I=20 > mean, delivering something that doesn't happen to be useful can't be a go= al. >=20 > I propose this instead: > The goal is to improve and extend on the previous work on a=20 > process-based shared memory coarray implementation, so that the feature=20 > can be made available in the next release of gfortran. Taken w/o change. Thanks. =20 > This is a goal, not a promise of succes. And remember that reallocation= =20 > on assignment was made available behind a flag for quite some time=20 > before being enabled by default. We could do the same here if the=20 > feature is not ready yet, so the above is not a great commitment. :thumbsup: > Regarding the time estimates, it's a bit difficult as we can't foresee=20 > at this stage the amount of regressions that will need to be fixed, and=20 > how difficult they will be. I'm not even sure that the process of=20 > picking one regression and fixing it will eventually converge to a=20 > zero-regression state. It doesn't mean much, but I=C2=A0expect to spend= =20 > between 3 and 6 months on every item I have proposed. But I expected=20 > those items to be discussed, prioritized, and either acknowledged or=20 > refused by the contributors before. You mean, you will 3 to 6 month full-time for the scalarizer rework, the API thingys and so on? Or is the estimate on how long it will take you to do the things in total, i.e. not working full-time on them? I am asking that specifically because we need to estimate the person days t= hey pay for and time boundary up to when the project will be done. Regards, Andre --=20 Andre Vehreschild * Email: vehre ad gmx dot de=20