From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BB0D385771D for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2023 13:06:13 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 5BB0D385771D Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmx.de Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmx.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1686056766; x=1686661566; i=vehre@gmx.de; bh=79OG78C21ZAeqWdbjmJFeEePXYts0rOShK9aeTHAWIg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=bkgcqrUb1mu69LnQGwC+cQGpjtjYjzchq3TFBaehRtVJJBoolCuhW31gWkWJHnGJgX4I3LM 0RI9xUpSHC8A3e/i1UivEck5o5G4MeGvmfQffdbie6m+S44kseEybT8P9gq9ahleu9wmHqlEE rsTEFnBvg7KJVet/Z1Ms+OeEdM2GzwuH0pJKcMftuai5VSRwSpk8VVEUst2+HvrMKL7YG6p4j HyQVaoMW1dT/pDhSrIZI8dp7ksWrf22VGs9XC++xcW1ypiPyL7BpnTHED5wPH2AxfvW5Ec1gM DWKfQmoXf2RoMrIkxLnopVadNYarJBuaTlZgIRroKmRS2+vjhrKw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from vepi2 ([62.155.201.188]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MBDjA-1ptp3r3lhW-00Ckyc; Tue, 06 Jun 2023 15:06:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:06:04 +0200 From: Andre Vehreschild To: Mikael Morin Cc: Damian Rouson , Thomas Koenig , Benson Muite , Jerry D , Paul Richard Thomas , GCC-Fortran-ML , Lexi Pimenidis , Nicolas =?UTF-8?B?S8O2bmln?= Subject: Re: Possible funding of gfortran work Message-ID: <20230606150604.7cfbf6ac@vepi2> In-Reply-To: References: <4697f7be-ac3e-8c5d-f27c-3aec89b5b03f@protonmail.com> <0d923990-0b7a-a1ea-8389-bf3837e73ed0@gmail.com> <737bbf36-04a8-c1e4-b3aa-31121df66013@netcologne.de> <20230527132414.50184389@vepi2> <105c761a-5030-aee5-6587-2783a794f469@gmail.com> <20230530153242.54728d4d@vepi2> <2fa3240f-fbb8-23b6-2a10-24f9a415f729@netcologne.de> <5bde7c1f-3524-7f2e-fd48-a4b97734e2b9@emailplus.org> <2f95809c-8f0b-7d75-ca62-aeee11c6bee0@netcologne.de> <20230531142302.75ec742d@vepi2> <20230601111808.5ed7a9e3@vepi2> <20230605100825.78c4ac78@vepi2> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.38; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ym5at3+LT7in9O0vu0txAWxR0eDI1yNT/z+fCkiBPxYL1Pm7wDb z9Jxt3HkCT9CVorEnEwlrSPD12A8Tq1NIe+xy4JwJzdJWYg84VF7946PYxg2aoQKbiFXyiB GD9OLy07turW6MC9jj+Vksw8QaAPBaXbwl5JGKZGWs2w7VC/Vl48wOkFg/GnSGGhi/FpNub vsAMRZ/CGWB+y1CUROwpw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:iAGRGTcK2g8=;IE/jhuvGrUDIOtxjxvUohBglQTC YvVUWd/0pk7mphNTpCkVxFksp2MOx4xhCeWu/k2hUK14yiujM6h4qUIYknQhz3JvCH9HZw0lJ arap4DBoe5NaffKtsL5tkDCkTyvX/krkFmFDBG9SHYAdLGHGj9Jq8dimm7KYKFA4FdmHyYQvU 72GDPeQn+icVBtdVHtPAOATNPBEjuwDXygb2W0vwEZSAP9p3mjW0Hg4X1sbYqt4eswsOz2sEq LXiRbEpVNGIsn11A3xy6dG556MMNxyhBe61BZ4ww5cUY5P7I/kbpJsCfEBChyfo1XXGjVd6NP yMbyiBVmI3LcgrSzoHGX2QD0b/nJDPogqQNsqRoIum5A2Qq6vIYQLbHO9Ed2NFCMQ3QlgRb4u 03md6Z4gvT7u6EXNPLRo3Br2M1X/g9gspaIdAF3qNY0nULn1JQuG549YtQCKEVr8o0XPJm5v6 50MLliBZGDIz18gYOad4GDU7zbt7AYkzoLBZtg5cs9brS0u745SGSV1o7vpBi1f6+DYo93XiV Vd+I1NsWr6ajzUZa02PIGi7R9JgFkmmsoC6rNtpmy20uoj1gSRtPjOVwzRZrCMRwJLyxOjKuy Yb5NXuWYJyX0E2J+V5QuuuG+DOG4WsEZutdxKGsFpGjl959xK9OoubdlC8KZcj8ygK1HCkcwP Z8uqMAlOFlp1DM6d0JessJPNvSjs+BkY6h8DiK6i0eZY32x70VJq3FU+jd7TLV0h01dPjeXhV MK1KHDL9YB052A3KLGXDJtKUKqbFsdgjsprQt/IiayIa95gV/ZURNB6JVOWTOsPfAdkiL7uDG UMbtbAV2Tq4wN+Zlv7nTyiHOmO9jW4an1Rmj+Gi/GafS+AhoaOn554DwIfxaQJocN4jKq7bka dqOyhQs83KAG/sXJDgPUpPcJYiY4/ZQmE2BM1GRaDIMznlvc5eG4vePrZ3mmK2uybJ6M3VvcM Acu4N+FQCu6OK5CV+dRXee0HpwY= X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,WINNER_SUBJECT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi Mikael, ... > Yes, I don't like it but I understand the need for estimating. > I have looked at the evaluation criteria at [1]. There is among other=20 > things: > > Furthermore, we look at how well the planning for the project is laid o= ut. > > Are the activities well-structured, appropriate and feasible? =20 >=20 > I think we are far from having a "well laid out planning". Even if it's= =20 > difficult to estimate the amount of days of work, we should probably at=20 > least try to decompose the project into milestones, that is (small)=20 > steps proving progress toward the target. I understand. I would have been happy in the past when a client had as much knowledge and structure than we already have. Under "Project goal" we now h= ave about 300 words. So we could add more. What do you have in mind? Like adding more bullet points to each item in the form of: - rebase existing implementation to current master - identify missing requirements - add tests for missing requirements - implement missing requirements to pass tests. ... Or are your targeting a more time based approach like: Milestone 1: shared mem coarrays merge to master in week 2 of project Milestone 2: finish research on general way for doing remote coarray acce= ss in alien structures to finish in week 1 of project ... Take the above as examples please, not as proposals. In the meantime I have added something to the "Who section": --- - Who (maintainer, contributor, organization) would be most qualified to implement this work/receive the support and why? Maurice Ulrich @ Badger Systems GmbH -- Project management Dr. Andre Vehreschild @ Badger Systems GmbH -- Contributed to distributed memory coarray, teams and failed images support. Has also worked on the associate command and several other standard compliance issues. Mikael Morin @ ??? -- Maintained/Contributed to the scalarizer. Experienced= in gfortran development and component dependencies. Nicolas K=C3=B6nig @ ETH Z=C3=BCrich -- Implemented the first steps of the = process-based shared memory coarray approach. --- Our project manager is mostly there as a counting head. He will not do much= , if not asked explicitly, but I learned that it is good to have some one named. I am curious to hear your input. Regards, Andre --=20 Andre Vehreschild * Email: vehre ad gmx dot de=20