From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1036.google.com (mail-pj1-x1036.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1036]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29690383C7C1 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 12:22:37 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 29690383C7C1 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-pj1-x1036.google.com with SMTP id o1-20020a17090a678100b00219cf69e5f0so3354470pjj.2 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 04:22:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:cc:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YB8e8UhJU/xeg2SMz11LzshX4i8mSIstwa2vC13X/4k=; b=IAGa/iVnVmEIZJcI6+s5PGnEhBuym/SVCekPTEAHqyXsU8/KIlGKsZageHhPvZ6U0H 8AHrPSNqb1z/A2ZWP3jk2qCBtuU470IbTv/NEPVEZkqqEeHePEtYZU7jWzxn6GwffXjk n/lDfis8PJCqQHJVEa+KqqLQiccEZllKSB4YovOsMi6ZYZ/6CNgWaaxn32M6qyepqO71 HtceDpg44y321V3lo26zcnzFGXshrCU4IF49Mys3dEeaYzt26rFPZ3eHteqMxyeFDPTC +O9Tdo/3kCl6ZqH58oXTvAEPwcsq6+65SdUZDctcqwr1EBCnsWa2L4LQYROEaIublr4B zqxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:content-language :references:cc:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YB8e8UhJU/xeg2SMz11LzshX4i8mSIstwa2vC13X/4k=; b=c0e+X7QHnh5OF4+X/W+NnHNzk+Qe8Ys6PHUgiTXATN9X9E13Lim8GEAPQOQw1rdD1y GnjG0FDRRD9SGuV3kXdLruRZAwJ+x3QYkO83lvlq3v90RQzZrk/6WAD+AU76AtH5nsKr zZovbHQbho/bdWFNA7cZrWV1j8obbfqVR5GzMv1MLTzvtXdKgb+RH/lRSHo6y1e295Ej BEclhWOCaPGYh3FMURa2vZwCGs8yflyO4iEFEUNW9cp72QbJ7BqiNcQLZ4VOZO2oijic hbzcAcwjiJG2sUGxUJcUuimak+YIDpiHv2BJfBKujxQ8ZS8GGTUo7f8rNalSSLvlU7gR Y/dw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pkWqoGymxrhkUDuAoxRDQ6EOTUS+G+eEHyp2i2fixqKkPqVXKUB +mRmCx2eERa66JFDgVeNz60= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf7WwR1rs5pBhzVOuq2ADjKP2ccS+5eEJeAPjBz74nv6rd1zrTtecZkhC9YgywKLVQLlzpcYyA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:bb83:b0:18f:5749:cae9 with SMTP id m3-20020a170902bb8300b0018f5749cae9mr2205009pls.2.1670934155986; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 04:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.20] ([50.37.188.226]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q3-20020a17090311c300b00189a7fbff33sm8348749plh.170.2022.12.13.04.22.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Dec 2022 04:22:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <23fe51c8-848c-6cfa-f188-bf76625f3fee@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 04:22:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.5.1 Subject: Re: Team Collaboration Considerations To: Janne Blomqvist Cc: gfortran References: <6e48ab2c-f006-c57f-db39-2b3efb6b30a4@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Jerry D In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 12/13/22 12:10 AM, Janne Blomqvist wrote: --- snip -- >> Any thoughts from all? > > Hi, > > I haven't commented earlier as I haven't been active in GFortran > development for a couple of years (new job, kids, etc. etc.). So don't > take my opinions too seriously. > > But in general, yes, I do think IRC is showing its age in an > increasingly multi-device and mobile world. From a Free Software > perspective, adopting a closed platform like Slack is perhaps not > ideal, if alternatives exist. And I believe the free (as in beer) > version of Slack has some significant limitations compared to the > licensed one. Matrix is perhaps the one with the most future > potential, but maybe it's not really there yet. While I haven't used > Mattermost myself, I've heard good things about it. And as long as > it's not used as some sort of permanent record of things instead of > the mailing list, I guess it's relatively easy to switch to another > platform in the future. Just to be sure, this is some hosted version, > and not something which Jerry must maintain himself on some server in > a dusty corner? > > As for the perennial question of how to attract new contributors, > yeah, it's hard. I'm happy to see that Harald has gotten off to a > flying start, amazing! I also do note with some satisfaction that > there's some good efforts to make modern Fortran attractive for > developers, and not just something you use because the codebase you > work on was started 4 decades ago. Gtk-Fortran was an early example of > this which showed that modern Fortran could be useful outside the core > numerics domain. I'm also thinking of the https://fortran-lang.org > site and associated efforts like the 'stdlib', a more fleshed out > 'standard' library (https://stdlib.fortran-lang.org/ ), and the > package manager FPM (https://fpm.fortran-lang.org ). Keeping in touch > with these people, and suggesting that people help that effort if they > aren't comfortable with hacking on the compiler outright, could be a > way of growing the open source Fortran programmer base, which could > eventually grow into contributors to the compiler itself? In > particular if they want to use some newfangled Fortran feature that > doesn't work in GFortran; scratching your own itch is always a good > motivator! > Hi Janne, great to hear from you and thanks for mentioning the efforts of others. Best regards, Jerry