From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ua1-x935.google.com (mail-ua1-x935.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::935]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E97638469B5 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 21:56:29 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 1E97638469B5 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-ua1-x935.google.com with SMTP id s25so1687351uac.2 for ; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jOB6iCbVwLTpGJp+p3erDkYJBktPQTUOwFVAl/5cZF0=; b=I1br2fmEFqyTuSxcuJGGztqUk0Fs0gU/HHuTdUOBbWELOY1PpheZPvQHMYsR6S7Sv4 CTrCCu1pO9z7+nNwO9/j3ptJKc80Z9lsbzprJC6L/LfnIcvTPiEJkTIGKpWHFmQ33ThB Lq7Y0IlMsLfzhilJrS7dcgfhhLLZL1tH00QytYUq5UvVwreZ1Pfq1MwufXT0h0aYbJQI V+CKsQXs8gCXN5gJKt1qFOacN097+HSI+hS+7TMBdqE1aw8/VYeIlgnhVNh/oRcWtcTN RQRLDGt5jrAxMKmYuNHlv79+JOl6yEbvv/XDqYHgwWDRWcKdFih2pA/FrjapbdIz/PgH u2Wg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=jOB6iCbVwLTpGJp+p3erDkYJBktPQTUOwFVAl/5cZF0=; b=5aFeW7dFxC84HZ9EsM/82i8qYpCSBrtdT/e8ZW1G6T8kVAX+WggWXu4oFlRa9sr79N 6oBqHFYFO7NxVkZ7oOqvPWRKXXq0nzK0wSuiwiVOXXR1Z4x0WfSozFvB97Xip25+LMgq 7sk2tTSkZrMMLJBO+XP1XyNby5gmMUdXe2jlFQPzVkvS5B6WG8hI2sJIj9GulJAIJWv5 sPLlnqh4H3G1r+rv/5PRmZPwuDtIL50xDqJkRIdoAqYbtl1lR9AeAwdnRzbOVNwTABWT 8BI0PiZeIJXfpPdoAMx2fW2mCjKQ+j2PqRhL+jZRmP7yi/UBAbwWlKWcYYtipVWiukWI 4g1w== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnCiOT/+aBczpxSa4d9ovGCh8exP67J7mRv2E8RKvtFAtUniEjS PioxpD36TlTXyn3D6MoHfksckqFnHpaMCQk9Dos= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf70kqbpzfLtTkUqHhBDUPG/mv94RK0FGLN1z6mzXTlS4ApudUrneJQH/Kfyx+nQuyhySFTqc53+WI1iNvyhMZo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6130:316:b0:418:b66a:6f26 with SMTP id ay22-20020a056130031600b00418b66a6f26mr45294020uab.21.1670622988399; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:56:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6e48ab2c-f006-c57f-db39-2b3efb6b30a4@gmail.com> <18de9467-4c7a-6c62-7423-431145bacc2f@moene.org> In-Reply-To: <18de9467-4c7a-6c62-7423-431145bacc2f@moene.org> From: Paul Richard Thomas Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 21:56:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Team Collaboration Considerations To: Toon Moene Cc: "Holcomb, Katherine A (kah3f)" , "sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu" , Jerry D via Fortran , Benson Muite Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c6fb4b05ef6c3908" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: --000000000000c6fb4b05ef6c3908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Jerry and everybody else, I am with Tobias on this. Between work, gfortran, RSPCA, club and neighbourhood activities I am "channelled" up to the eyeballs. Adding another wouldn't make any great odds but I couldn't pay much more attention to it than many of the others - sorry! At the present, I am spending more time than I really have on finishing the finalization patch(es). Hopefully it will see the light of day very soon. After that, I have to fix the mess that I made of PDTs. Neither of these feature very high on the scale of the user survey that Steve Lionel ran but, at least, we could come close to F2003 compliance. It would help enormously, if somebody would sit down and figure out in detail where the F2008/2018 gaps are. I am about to vote on the F2023 DAS so if anybody has any thoughts on that, I would like to hear them. I hate conditional arguments but the rest looks OK and, I suspect, is relatively easily implemented. One really helpful collaborative activity would be to update the gfortran wiki. For a good long while that, together with the gfortran list, did serve as our collaborative focus. Regards Paul On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 at 19:36, Toon Moene wrote: > On 12/8/22 20:14, Holcomb, Katherine A (kah3f) via Fortran wrote: > > > I was thinking I might try to contribute when I retire, though that may > be in a year or two. But it's been a very long time since I dove into a > large software project and it's intimidating. I do know C (really C++, I > haven't used plain C for a long time). I am one of those "aging" types > but I am familiar at least superficially with newer tools because I must > use them for work, specifically git and Slack (Mattermost seems to be an > open-source Slack alternative) -- we make heavy use of Slack in particular. > > > > Is there some kind of "getting started" guide? > > Thanks, Katherine, for your thoughts on this side of support (i.e., > fixing compiler bugs, and how to get people interested in contributing). > > Based on that, I thought of another approach, namely: interesting > *users* of gfortran to provide us with useful information on their > experiences with it (lest we only look at the depressing list of PRs). > > Would it help if we created a fortran-help@gcc.gnu.org list (a loose > parallel of gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org) for *questions* from our user base ? > > I just have to look at the questions I get at work from my colleagues: > > 1. I get this message while compiling XYZ weather forecasting model > (HELP, what does it mean ?). How do I solve it ? Do I need ABC > (mega-corporation chip manufacturing's) fortran compiler ? > > 2. gfortran gives me a "internal compiler error", but this code > compiled perfectly just a year ago (an ICE is never a user's > problem). How can I work around it ? > > 3. Is this (source code provided) code conformant ? gfortran > complains about it, but XYZ compiler just compiles it fine. > > etc. > > This might not result in many new contributors, but it shows to the > broader GCC development community what gfortran is used for, and how > *we* deal with their questions and problems (and, thus, how important > this part of the GNU Compiler *Collection* is). > > Oh, BTW, I retire in nine months, which would give me loads of time to > deal with such a mailing list. > > Kind regards, > > -- > Toon Moene - e-mail: toon@moene.org - phone: +31 346 214290 > Saturnushof 14, 3738 XG Maartensdijk, The Netherlands > > -- "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein --000000000000c6fb4b05ef6c3908--