From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1031.google.com (mail-pj1-x1031.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 999903850401 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 2021 03:26:52 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 999903850401 Received: by mail-pj1-x1031.google.com with SMTP id l23so5398280pjg.1 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:26:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Z2eY6481jMDd+hXk8sZhe9ekVJJ7GEW11vIPxTQVylg=; b=Snabo9RBL95ACkOGSB3rNjj1HjEP9gGswCzfYp8tzF+jdXxRoOZ/e266vyBl91uHj2 PCWjhDGo4wq5itlok8gy3GrQ/Tw9ZwYg2EA0QEEBrgjb42zWcNRxbuLkLBZUDb4UnVl9 JacbHTyjqFX2Ag8wjgSsjrb4nDuI5kyygHHctNfBDcoRNb7YC+C07EWA3lUn64qlbcE4 ZhzMduo6KJ28ipUvPJqA+3QYzjk9rzhzvzz52yd2howPK3HsA81CDitNE4AHZeBGvMYt 22z7G7RGx0wsfk+VxvYZVjpyahABaZ/ufwr9rfLaFAR3M/Lp5r+lyGeeX3nWHs3lwe1C zmwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533V6DCzGYkIMzKRh0IzNp0/QyGHNTmRRUZ/jZub3F9H7sDvU1xi FMKZ+RYa2vUjql09ixEvf7MJow== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyVt7+p5f/fis4yzSznRv3uUMweaLhvboSOQ4RYwSiWqvj0eIpaVDqkAjMQ5cmb//lvoOaTvA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:bf4a:b029:da:d0b8:6489 with SMTP id u10-20020a170902bf4ab02900dad0b86489mr1836585pls.58.1610076411667; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.10.3] ([120.21.32.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 9sm7021474pfn.188.2021.01.07.19.26.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:26:50 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: apple silicon fortran From: Rosemary Mardling In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:26:43 +1100 Cc: James Secan , Iain Sandoe , Fortran List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <941045F7-9782-408B-BF5A-015E2FAF246A@monash.edu> <7FCF49F0-EA95-44F1-B5B6-01393378783E@gmail.com> To: Jerry DeLisle X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: fortran@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Fortran mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 03:26:54 -0000 Hi Jerrry, It seems NAG have a fortran compiler but it is quite expensive (GBP250 - = I enquired): https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs Apple might be happy to lend you a machine if the absence of fortran is = holding enough people back from buying them=E2=80=A6 Cheers, Rosemary > On 8 Jan 2021, at 1:32 pm, Jerry DeLisle wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 1/6/21 11:38 AM, James Secan via Fortran wrote: >> Thanks - I had already begun to suspect I=E2=80=99ll need to hold off = a bit on getting an Apple Silicon machine, and this confirms it. I need = gfortran to be working on whatever hardware I=E2=80=99m using. >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 > That may be the wise approach. Depending on how many users it may be = possible to get an unoffcial build if the branch gets far enough a long. = There was a time when we were doing daily or weekly builds for odd = ducks like Cygwin on Windows. This was back at the initial phases of = the F95 compiler. >=20 > One of the big problems is not having hardware for us to test on. I = expect Iain and some the gcc other gcc gurus may have this access sooner = than the "Fortraners". If the OS is fairly compliant to standards, the = runtime libraries for gfortran should mostly work, its the nuances and = corner cases that catch us off guard usually. >=20 > It would be helpful if we somehow could get an apple on silicon = machine tied into the gcc compile farm. I do not know how well that = would work if it is only laptops, it would be on 24/7, but I expect it = could support a few users well enough to allow developers to start = working with it and seeing the problems. >=20 > Another thought, is there some sort of virtual machine or emulator = that could be used on other machines, but apple is usually very closed = about such things. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Jerry >=20