From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.21]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E5533830FE4 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:27:43 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 8E5533830FE4 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=troutmask.apl.washington.edu Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=troutmask.apl.washington.edu Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 2B8GRH8q028286 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:27:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 2B8GRHl0028285; Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:27:17 -0800 From: Steve Kargl To: Jerry D via Fortran Cc: Benson Muite Subject: Re: Team Collaboration Considerations Message-ID: Reply-To: sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu References: <6e48ab2c-f006-c57f-db39-2b3efb6b30a4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Wed, Dec 07, 2022 at 05:54:40PM -0800, Jerry D via Fortran wrote: > Other than Benson, I have received no sign of any interest from gfortran > developers to adopt a teaming/collaboration platform.  I am a bit > disappointed. Maybe my intent was misunderstood.  I am not suggesting > replacing the email approval process but there are many other features of > these platforms, in particular, communication efficiency that would be very > helpful. > > I know many software developers who use these tools regularly. Honestly I do > not know why gcc.gnu.org does not adopt one of these as a whole. Perhaps it > is simply resistance to change. > > I will keep the Mattermost workspace.  If anyone want to join send me your > email and I will send you an invite. > > Well, as always, best regards, > Jerry, I think you're seeing the effects of the move to git and an aging base of contributors. Harald is almost single-handily dealing with bug reports. Mikeal has recently been reviewing Harald's patches, and offers some good advice on improvements. Occasionally, Thomas and I offer up patches, but this occurs in a rather sparse manner. In fact, if I fix a bug, the patch is attached to the bugzilla report where it sits until Harald stumbles across it or it bit rots. I don't know how to attract new contributors. I've invited more than one person who's pointed out a issue with gfortran to join the developers. This is typically met with "I don't know C", "I don't know compiler design", "I don't have time"r, ... -- Steve