From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937E93858C52 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 06:22:50 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 937E93858C52 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=emailplus.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=emailplus.org Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C04D32005CA; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:22:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=emailplus.org; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:date:from :from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1674195767; x= 1674282167; bh=BjiCe4hFOefLmt9pk5ucwVDQgM7DFQ5SRW45fkjHxSs=; b=H ipgGVVj5Z9B+CrvxnuyXnfOF1jEqKCSuVt8lxS/2kusrduZTdcSDZh0PYahU05b3 KIBbBh0tw2bIm3w5UzAioxMXbZxIslYC7b7/6wgQrhC3APUjCoOutJLrKpxuNq27 4qq/vXG2vMafyrpnipaV+uM7JQp/y1umzlsVP+mhgHfoC+vA4TgLTTl8pqtu5zc+ OJ0KyhJ4MK+HwuBfX3V+iNKkb6VSl23CVGVDoU5QNQSC0rFOCncMbeGdZaZFsSz6 CcFG8OiE+ZCr3LKbI8pSkyuVeKqHK4au6hY/0yexST1UKo6LNcqcS91+pMiXhnue ck0W4zKtNrQvhuIyA4x6w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1674195767; x= 1674282167; bh=BjiCe4hFOefLmt9pk5ucwVDQgM7DFQ5SRW45fkjHxSs=; b=a g18LsN9Q0gN28+4IsLp5q3zvqC4C/36CTeXvTOUDZaX8AyxjkyXutGUAfRnQ4x+V NkMq+SdrQkpSbnXCXylw9KFAJjPf/2BTDGtZvQgjJWnn7ZRJGuwyBsDnsnGQ4KPX +tddpKrWNQFCxJdlws2AVNgav9I3XpiyRhqwNEYBT6xSRwtJQgbP7ki1wZVBNh3P wLf8Sn2Ak+gutEp9012AVeF4XbaSeDA213wtbJUQLQOvP84SJVz5Z4iuqLODMPPl hMrKp/6oUsTDh5YaIlYD+/NzccAc+JSg0n4vg6ou8w+zoOfB/nrX64rdX+PsUIGV 41uW5QenoiSaHSdIGrTsQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrudduuddgleejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne goufhushhpvggtthffohhmrghinhculdegledmnecujfgurhepkfffgggfvfevfhfhufgj tgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpeeuvghnshhonhcuofhuihhtvgcuoegsvghnsh honhgpmhhuihhtvgesvghmrghilhhplhhushdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhep vefgffetieejuefhieekhefhgfetlefggfehhfdvveeujeehveevueelfeetlefgnecuff homhgrihhnpegtrghrlhhstghhfigrnhdrvghupdhgihhthhhusgdrihhopdhfrhgrmhgr ghhithdrohhrghdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenuc frrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepsggvnhhsohhnpghmuhhithgvsegvmhgrihhlphhl uhhsrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ic1e8415a:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:22:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:21:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.6.0 To: NightStrike , Bernhard Reutner-Fischer Cc: NightStrike via Fortran , Toon Moene References: <6e48ab2c-f006-c57f-db39-2b3efb6b30a4@gmail.com> <397bf74b-4528-f4a8-5a7e-88e7ba10bb38@emailplus.org> <532b28b1-4ace-7e8d-21fc-188739f1497f@moene.org> <67368315-70A6-4D5D-9CCE-0890EE0FEB0E@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Benson Muite Subject: Re: Team Collaboration Considerations In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,FREEMAIL_REPLY,KAM_EU,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 1/19/23 22:03, NightStrike wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 13:33 Bernhard Reutner-Fischer > > wrote: > > On 19 January 2023 13:52:55 CET, NightStrike via Fortran > > wrote: > > >You can, and people naturally do this, and I think it's great, but > >there's usually a response from someone saying "post that to the > >mailing list instead". > > The mailing list has a 20-30 year history with reasoning about what > currently is in the tree. I do think it is valuable to reason about > patches publically for others to see. And I'm aware that this might > not be regarded fancy nowadays by everyone. > > But that does not mean that using other means to collaborate should > not be used by some. Be it comp.lang.fortran, a webchat.oftc, or > other means, that's all fine of course. > > patches currently are handled differently, but I don't think that is > a problem isn't it. > Just post final patches to the list as long as that is regarded the > way to do final review and document approval. > > cheers, > > > The problem is that patch tracking is unsustainable. You could go the > other way and have a patch tracker automatically echo messages to the > mailing list. > Review is done voluntarily and by email. The process has flexibility to increase productivity but it may make it harder to get involved. Email threads and metadata make it possible to track patches. It is expected, but not enforced, that posts to the mailing list follow convention. Until a comment on a patch is posted, it is unclear if it will be reviewed. Build results are tracked separately and builds done when needed. An open review process is good. Do all patches get timely reviews? Can this process be improved? An analysis of a developer community: https://carlschwan.eu/2021/04/29/health-of-the-kde-community/ Some tools: https://chaoss.github.io/grimoirelab/ https://framagit.org/ervin/ComDaAn https://github.com/gotec/git2net Will try some of these to analyze GCC, though something new maybe needed since the workflow is quite different.