From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp-24.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.24]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0A043854E47 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 11:45:01 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org D0A043854E47 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=orange.fr Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=orange.fr Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([86.215.161.51]) by smtp.orange.fr with ESMTPA id 68doqOYbWsdVE68duq7Ws5; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 13:45:00 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=orange.fr; s=t20230301; t=1685965500; bh=K4jIXG816hVgtVeQRBC2eO4WGGqFX/NrjGBg15sDkGY=; h=Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To; b=oPrOf5vTFc+336BTSjnBa2PRtC1Pw0IahaazexIniq7/QTZr7pGW+KCwLgFOJy0wX fYb/JuXp0mEZuhRfvuNWPX9SVcQVraCNcQcrJNq5JeS0zYmtuorgwwvJhC0bcBVLQ2 BiUtIqjzfitOmzSN5pUIVURxrmYUZwNKTbLi2yLnmfPLizKRh3z+uw4ZI2c55bNsvH h28Xp/d1yrrCH5N82pbrcom8KYnd/oeARJ6JkEevhfsdD38GrcjBikfzyNeqKHvtO3 WHE/4Vb04m+IivP5a/hhkrk0j3Szvcv/vGuamH2pzfsIQBLaUQcUUE4s+ID8JQpI9L vUulC5IGxYPTQ== X-ME-Helo: [192.168.1.16] X-ME-Auth: bW9yaW4tbWlrYWVsQG9yYW5nZS5mcg== X-ME-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2023 13:45:00 +0200 X-ME-IP: 86.215.161.51 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:44:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 From: Mikael Morin Subject: Re: Possible funding of gfortran work To: Andre Vehreschild Cc: Damian Rouson , Thomas Koenig , Benson Muite , Jerry D , Paul Richard Thomas , GCC-Fortran-ML , Lexi Pimenidis References: <4697f7be-ac3e-8c5d-f27c-3aec89b5b03f@protonmail.com> <0d923990-0b7a-a1ea-8389-bf3837e73ed0@gmail.com> <737bbf36-04a8-c1e4-b3aa-31121df66013@netcologne.de> <20230527132414.50184389@vepi2> <105c761a-5030-aee5-6587-2783a794f469@gmail.com> <20230530153242.54728d4d@vepi2> <2fa3240f-fbb8-23b6-2a10-24f9a415f729@netcologne.de> <5bde7c1f-3524-7f2e-fd48-a4b97734e2b9@emailplus.org> <2f95809c-8f0b-7d75-ca62-aeee11c6bee0@netcologne.de> <20230531142302.75ec742d@vepi2> <20230601111808.5ed7a9e3@vepi2> <20230605100825.78c4ac78@vepi2> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <20230605100825.78c4ac78@vepi2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,WINNER_SUBJECT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Le 05/06/2023 à 10:08, Andre Vehreschild a écrit : >> Regarding the time estimates, it's a bit difficult as we can't foresee >> at this stage the amount of regressions that will need to be fixed, and >> how difficult they will be. I'm not even sure that the process of >> picking one regression and fixing it will eventually converge to a >> zero-regression state. It doesn't mean much, but I expect to spend >> between 3 and 6 months on every item I have proposed. But I expected >> those items to be discussed, prioritized, and either acknowledged or >> refused by the contributors before. > > You mean, you will 3 to 6 month full-time for the scalarizer rework, the API > thingys and so on? Or is the estimate on how long it will take you to do the > things in total, i.e. not working full-time on them? > The latter, 3-6 months delivery time each item at 60% working time. > I am asking that specifically because we need to estimate the person days they > pay for and time boundary up to when the project will be done. > Yes, I don't like it but I understand the need for estimating. I have looked at the evaluation criteria at [1]. There is among other things: > Furthermore, we look at how well the planning for the project is laid out. Are the activities well-structured, appropriate and feasible? I think we are far from having a "well laid out planning". Even if it's difficult to estimate the amount of days of work, we should probably at least try to decompose the project into milestones, that is (small) steps proving progress toward the target. [1] https://sovereigntechfund.de/en/applications/