From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Return-Path: <SRS0=Gj2Y=7A=suse.de=rguenther@sourceware.org>
Received: from smtp-out2.suse.de (smtp-out2.suse.de [195.135.220.29])
	by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 243CF3858C54
	for <fortran@gcc.gnu.org>; Wed,  8 Mar 2023 09:10:20 +0000 (GMT)
DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 243CF3858C54
Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=suse.de
Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=suse.de
Received: from relay2.suse.de (relay2.suse.de [149.44.160.134])
	by smtp-out2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00F11FE35;
	Wed,  8 Mar 2023 09:10:18 +0000 (UTC)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de; s=susede2_rsa;
	t=1678266618; h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:
	 mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type:
	 in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references;
	bh=8foKaBvEidFzoIrHduV9fY6bXAaFX82Xy46Ln0pzyiM=;
	b=p18cqGBCeav8iWasxHWzP9WD9sEVleoqB0IrmpQi7gaq+4Z6PvNHyv55GJEoQPL0+d2RkK
	80bB/UGUtA9G4EQUgJ8MXwJw1NqGi1KAfhk1U2u3TAmJQnaAiqCKj39nq0ktOaFRBGneWf
	tpbO8RHaPz0PWZ8EqhPb1nI62iOIzYo=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=suse.de;
	s=susede2_ed25519; t=1678266618;
	h=from:from:reply-to:date:date:message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:
	 mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type:
	 in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references;
	bh=8foKaBvEidFzoIrHduV9fY6bXAaFX82Xy46Ln0pzyiM=;
	b=7/qAaCuM/gorB9MZLAOWugAILgWXe0ej4m/9B93UyalX8bVmuVd3s97l6apItUJO8uJydY
	i4rL3Ft3wwGjUxDw==
Received: from wotan.suse.de (wotan.suse.de [10.160.0.1])
	(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits))
	(No client certificate requested)
	by relay2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5823D2C141;
	Wed,  8 Mar 2023 09:10:18 +0000 (UTC)
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 09:10:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: Richard Biener <rguenther@suse.de>
To: Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de>
cc: Paul Richard Thomas <paul.richard.thomas@gmail.com>, 
    Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, 
    "fortran@gcc.gnu.org" <fortran@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch, fortran] PR37336 finalization
In-Reply-To: <ef938db3-697b-75fe-ed78-f9d2210c7eff@netcologne.de>
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.77.849.2303080908290.18795@jbgna.fhfr.qr>
References: <CAGkQGiLxqFxtwm8zK_uftgfoKjVeh-EXv85cVtX50T_=fsC9yw@mail.gmail.com> <582085ac-0d07-a516-732d-e82e0a4e01c9@netcologne.de> <CAGkQGiJpL99oDH9Mw+t6pCSx25LWWVVpeys2Ui0fVr-i=bm4_Q@mail.gmail.com> <cee6d881-8754-6d66-8949-b99a2f3be6a8@netcologne.de>
 <nycvar.YFH.7.77.849.2303080812230.18795@jbgna.fhfr.qr> <ef938db3-697b-75fe-ed78-f9d2210c7eff@netcologne.de>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (LSU 394 2020-01-19)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org
List-Id: <fortran.gcc.gnu.org>

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Thomas Koenig wrote:

> On 08.03.23 09:14, Richard Biener wrote:
> > While Fortran is not considered release critical it would be bad to
> > break say the build of SPEC CPU 2017 or Polyhedron very late in the
> > cycle.  I'd lean towards postponing this to early stage1 and eventually
> > backport it for GCC 13.2 if you would like this feature to be implemented
> > for GCC 13.
> 
> And now comes the problem - no Fortran maintanier has access to SPEC
> 2017, as far as I know.  The curse of closed-source benchmarks...

:/

But at least you can watch https://lnt.opensuse.org after-the-fact

> How extensive is SPEC using finalization?  My personal guess would be
> that it is not used extensively, since gfortran's implementation is
> pretty broken at the moment.

I'd say it probably doesn't use it.  But I was more worrying about
unwanted side-effects on code _not_ using finalization.

Do you know of any medium to large size Fortran code base that
uses finalization?

Richard.