From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7511 invoked by alias); 21 Mar 2007 19:23:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7486 invoked by uid 22791); 21 Mar 2007 19:23:00 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com (HELO mx1.redhat.com) (66.187.233.31) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:22:50 +0000 Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LJMmOI019908 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:22:48 -0400 Received: from pobox.toronto.redhat.com (pobox.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.4]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LJMlZp012407; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:22:47 -0400 Received: from [172.16.14.55] (toner.toronto.redhat.com [172.16.14.55]) by pobox.toronto.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2LJMlpf023552; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <46018607.9050805@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:23:00 -0000 From: Sami Wagiaalla User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Cagney CC: frysk Subject: Re: Assistant refinement References: <460155B7.8090202@redhat.com> <46017E7D.8090004@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <46017E7D.8090004@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact frysk-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: frysk-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2007-q1/txt/msg00253.txt.bz2 I am suggesting this: user starts up frysk: [1] A page pops up with a list of previous sessions the buttons new and delete to the side. in the bottom the buttons [next] and [finish]. clicking [finish] at any point starts the monitor/debugger depending on was was saved from before. this enables the user to select the session and start it in two clicks. user clicks next/new [2] they see the page currently referred to as the process picker. In the bottom the buttons [back] [next] [finish] user clicks next [3] they see this: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1629&action=view (maybe here if they choose "debugging" (should be Debuging Session :)) then next is disabled) user clicks next [4] they see observer picker This stream-lines the process, eliminates extra clicks when restarting an old session, eliminates loops and branches in the story board, and eliminates the quick debug button. Andrew Cagney wrote: > Sami, > > I'm not sure I'm following here ; merge what part of the session > manager and the assistant? What does a user see first? > > Re-starting a session, which I think is the common case, is already > pretty slick. For instance, double click on "Debug bash" gets the > proc-picker, and "finish/debug" gets the debugger for those > processes. So I'm not sure how the assistant and session manager can > be merged. The session manager lets the user control / select / > [edit] / re-start / [eventually] resume sessions, creating a new > session is just one sub-task from that window. > > Looking at > http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1629&action=view it > is roughly what was described, the HIG also has a good example of the > initial screen and guidelines: > -> there should be a heading and summary paragraph explaining what is > going on - big picture > -> the choices should have short single sentence descriptions > -> no apply button :-) > If "debug", the session would be called "Debug ...", the event-picker > can be skipped, "start debugger" ("debug"?) (replaces finish) jumps to > source window ;; for "monitor", the session would be called "Monitor > ...", the event-picker is included in the sequence, and "start > monitor" ("monitor"?) (relaces finish) jumps to the monitor. > > However, this assumes that there continue to be separate monitoring > and debugging windows. Ideas are still bouncing around for that one. > Regardless the "qick debug" button should be on the left. > > Andrew > > Sami Wagiaalla wrote: >> Yet another assistant refinement suggestion: >> >> My comment on http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4149: >> >> I have a few suggestions to solve this, and the Quick Debug button >> problem. >> Doing screen shots its time consuming so I will try to describe it >> verbally and >> people feel they need screen shots, I throw some together. >> >> [1] Merge Session Manager into the Assistant so that it becomes page 1 >> [2] At the bottom *always* have present a next, back, and finish >> (start?) button. >> clicking the finish button takes you directly to frysk with the >> default or >> the previously saved settings >> [3] Page 2 of the session is a page which enables the user to choose >> from a Traditional debugging session or a Monitoring Session, >> something like what is in the attached screen shot >> (http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=1629&action=view >> ). >> My feeling is that this should only effect what window (source or >> monitor) >> is presented first, and that the user can always switch between >> the modes >> even after the session has been started. >> >> The rest of the pages remain the same. Thoughts ? >> >> >