From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6269 invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2007 16:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6191 invoked by uid 22791); 24 Aug 2007 16:14:10 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com (HELO rgminet01.oracle.com) (148.87.113.118) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:13:47 +0000 Received: from agmgw2.us.oracle.com (agmgw2.us.oracle.com [152.68.180.213]) by rgminet01.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.4/Switch-3.1.6) with ESMTP id l7OGDPdd029400; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:13:25 -0600 Received: from acsmt350.oracle.com (acsmt350.oracle.com [141.146.40.150]) by agmgw2.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.2.0/Switch-3.2.0) with ESMTP id l7OBc1oM000882; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:13:25 -0600 Received: from c-76-19-29-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net by rcsmt252.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3154640531187971965; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:12:45 -0600 Message-ID: <46CF03A8.2030805@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:14:00 -0000 From: Elena Zannoni Organization: Oracle USA Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Muldoon CC: Mark Wielaard , frysk@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Again the build is broken :( References: <20070824055011.GA19064@oracle.com> <1187943385.3749.12.camel@dijkstra.wildebeest.org> <46CED04A.9070003@redhat.com> <46CEEA89.7030803@oracle.com> <1187966328.24666.20.camel@dijkstra.wildebeest.org> <46CEF687.6020502@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <46CEF687.6020502@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact frysk-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: frysk-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2007-q3/txt/msg00345.txt.bz2 Phil Muldoon wrote: > Mark Wielaard wrote: >> Hi Elena, >> >> On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 10:26 -0400, Elena Zannoni wrote: >> >>> This leads to the question as to what are the standard development >>> platforms for frysk. >>> FC6 and FC7? Or is older stuff still used? Should there be a >>> standard platform where >>> pre-commit build and tests should be performed. >>> >> >> I am personally using Fedora Core 6 (x86_64) as main development >> platform and test everything (quickly) on Fedora 7 (x86) before >> committing. But I guess other people have other platforms available. I >> do appreciate the autobuilder > Personally I think an auto-builder is here for precisely the purpose > shown, in catching architecture-release build combinations breakages. > I just do not have the time to test arch * distro. The numbers add up, > and I normally test x86 and x86_64 on Fedora 7. There's no reason to > spend expensive and scarce human-time checking these, when a build > matrix can do it better, especially when the fixes are simple oversights. > I'd rather have people contributing to features and fixing known bugs > and, to that end, making Frysk better. And letting build matrices > build on every platform/release known to us, and linting test-cases > and build issues. > Sure, the two things you mention are not mutually exclusive. However there is a cost to identifying broken builds too, and it seems that Mark is drawing the short straw frequently, since he is usually the first to correct said oversights. It takes away some of his time from development. I haven't suggested that you or anybody checks every combination before checking stuff in. What I have suggested is that, like we used to do once upon a time, we stick with as few development platforms as we can get away with in order to minimize the oversights. So if the platforms supported are FC6 and F7, let's stick with those and make everybody's life easier. If somebody wants to add FC5 to the test grid, please do so and contribute the tests results so that they can be uploaded. Any takers? elena