From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10128 invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2007 21:00:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 9917 invoked by uid 22791); 24 Aug 2007 21:00:35 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_05,DK_POLICY_SIGNSOME,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mx1.redhat.com (HELO mx1.redhat.com) (66.187.233.31) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:00:28 +0000 Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OL09Hs023121; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:00:09 -0400 Received: from pobox.corp.redhat.com (pobox.corp.redhat.com [10.11.255.20]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OL09f9005160; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:00:09 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by pobox.corp.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l7OL02iv018526; Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <46CF46E8.6020706@redhat.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:00:00 -0000 From: Andrew Cagney User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elena Zannoni , frysk@sourceware.org CC: Phil Muldoon , Mark Wielaard Subject: Re: Again the build is broken :( References: <20070824055011.GA19064@oracle.com> <1187943385.3749.12.camel@dijkstra.wildebeest.org> <46CED04A.9070003@redhat.com> <46CEEA89.7030803@oracle.com> <1187966328.24666.20.camel@dijkstra.wildebeest.org> <46CEF687.6020502@redhat.com> <46CF03A8.2030805@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <46CF03A8.2030805@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact frysk-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: frysk-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2007-q3/txt/msg00347.txt.bz2 Elena Zannoni wrote: > Sure, the two things you mention are not mutually exclusive. > However there is a cost to identifying broken builds too, and it seems > that Mark is drawing the > short straw frequently, since he is usually the first to correct said > oversights. It takes away some > of his time from development. Quite frequently, during the American day, we encounter and quick fix similar issues (just today there was another "oops"), and we're successfully and co-operatively managing these hiccups through our IRC chatter and/or through bug reports and commits. However, we do need to be careful. Both Pearly and Mark pick up what I'll call the night shift (from my tz pov) and so occasionally might be first to encounter a problem also encountered by this build system. There I think the most important thing is for us to be careful that we don't message an expectation that Pearly and/or Mark are some how expected to down-tools and focus all energies on getting it fixed. As with us during the day, back-date the check-out for a few hours 'til things are resolved; for mark using mecurial, this is trivial. Can I suggest: - Moving the build farm's time to run just before US dawn so results are better timed for us waking up; or better ... - setting up a test system that makes available results from individual commits and not fuzzy dates - accept that an occasional build failure in the build farm does not require an immediate post about the sky falling; I for instance would only be concerned if the build failed consistently and for an identical reason across two work days; and then my first response is still going to be to fix it. Andrew > I haven't suggested that you or anybody checks every combination > before checking stuff in. What I have suggested is that, like we used > to do once upon a time, we > stick with as few development platforms as we can get away with in > order to minimize the > oversights. So if the platforms supported are FC6 and F7, let's stick > with those and make > everybody's life easier. If somebody wants to add FC5 to the test > grid, please do so and contribute > the tests results so that they can be uploaded. Any takers?